government smoking ban!

[senor_robusto]

good morning all,
check these articles out! doesn't look good, soon you'll not be allowed to smoke at all in public places, and maybe not even in your own home!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100201/tuk-uk-britain-smoking-fa6b408.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247488/Cigarettes-sold-plain-packaging-latest-bid-sweep-away-smoking-Britain.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo

what makes this so bad, from my point of view, is that northern ireland gets taxed the most in the uk for it's alcohol and tobacco, yet it has stuff all facilities for anyone wanting to smoke a cigar (or cigarette)!

what draconian times we appear to be living in!!!!

all the best,

alex

[rollzst]

Why can't these people mind their own business. If they don't agree with smoking then they don't have to smoke! I say fuck the smoking ban. No one will take any notice of further bans, its just plain stupid.

[jacques]

I think I must be the only cigar smoker in the whole wide world supporting the smoking ban...

[daverave999]

We've seen how prohibition works...

[moidoid]

I suport it in some places - but there should be a choice. If a few bars in an area want to permit smoking then they should be allowed to with extraction etc.

The Government can protect health and freedoms at the same time but choose not to do so because of ideological lobbying.

I get more libertarian as I get older. JS Mill is my hero.

[the mothman]

QUOTE:,"The British Medical Association's head of science and ethics Vivienne Nathanson praised the plans and said they would "save lives and protect health."

Yeh until global warming kills everyone, then they'll wish they had a pack of smokes to calm their nerves as that huge tsunami heads towards them.
The politics and twats dealing in them have ruined this land, I tend not to look at the news or papers so I dont get wound up, I'd rather not know, I'll keep puffing till I get a hand on my shoulder telling me otherwise.:biggrin1:

[jacques]

I suport it in some places - but there should be a choice. .

then you end up with a mess. like in Germany, where I come from and spend much of my time. there's utter confusion. in some federal states you can smoke in restaurants, in some you can't etc. everyone seems able to find a way around the ban. Germany is in the hands of the cigarettes lobby, seriously. the decline of cigar culture is a regrettable but necessary collateral damage in the war against cigarettes. I really admire the nanny state firmness with which the ban is implemented in the UK. Every Eurpoean country seems able to do it - except Germany.

[EugeneSax]

I really admire the nanny state firmness with which the ban is implemented in the UK.

The problem with relying on "nanny states" is it pre-suppose that nannies do actually know best. They certainly know how to claim their expenses & send young men needlessly to their deaths but can't regulate banks or find WMDs and their attitude towards cannabis makes the most hopeless stoner appear like Solomon.

When they can do really important things well such as run a health service with some efficiently or provide an effective education system, then maybe we would take them seriously when they try to restrict our freedoms.

[tippexx]

.... then maybe we would take them seriously when they try to restrict our freedoms.


.... I don't think they want our opinions Eugene .... blind obedience is what brings the power-crazed, bamp patches to their trousers.

[Lee Nub]

I suppose we had better get used to it, im sure there will be many more of our freedoms taken in the years to come.

[maltesefalcon]

They can only take away our freedoms if we let them.

[eggopp]

We do let them, were the ones that vote these idiots in, well i say we, but i dont vote for anyone coz they all do what they want... Several things should happen... Do as i say not as you will... Bring back cash paid so banks cant take the piss and give us all these charges... Disolve parliment... Live in anarchy.. :hail:

[goose165]

here in texas they have banned smoking in bars,clubs,etc.now for a couple of years,it all started in california and spread like wildfire.

[tippexx]

.....it all started in california and spread like wildfire.


I thought Arnie was 'sposed to be on our side!

[satch]

The worse thing is: if smoking is banned altogether the suits won't stop there.
No alcohol, no private transport. no running in the corridors.
They're all bastards!

[daverave999]

"Vote for me if you want to live."
;)
When smoking is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke.

[goose165]

I thought Arnie was 'sposed to be on our side!
i thought so too:smoke:

[mikes]

I thought Arnie was 'sposed to be on our side!
HE IS!!!! He set up his very own smoking tent outside of his office. lmao He even excluded it from the smoking laws. Must be nice to be the Govenator ;o)

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2009/11/

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/aaa-450x300.jpg

[tupacboy]

i forgot which city... but some city in california... its illegal to smoke in your own home... i dunno how that's constitutional... but yea... its being appealed...

[goose165]

HE IS!!!! He set up his very own smoking tent outside of his office. lmao He even excluded it from the smoking laws. Must be nice to be the Govenator ;o)

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2009/11/

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/aaa-450x300.jpg
no kidding:mad:

[goose165]

i forgot which city... but some city in california... its illegal to smoke in your own home... i dunno how that's constitutional... but yea... its being appealed...
yeah california has always had crazy laws and ideas.:der:

[Big J]

i forgot which city... but some city in california... its illegal to smoke in your own home... i dunno how that's constitutional... but yea... its being appealed...

I think that's in Calabasas, California. In February 2006, California became the 1st state to declare second-hand tobacco smoke a toxic air pollutant. What about the smog we breath...that's not toxic? California is F**KED UP! Starting with the Governator!:der:

[Simon Bolivar]

Spain & Belgium seem to have a more civilised appraoch to interperating the Smoking Ban legislastion. In Spain you can smoke in a resturant if the own puts a blue sign in the window, red if you can't. Everywhere I went last yr had the blue sign, they don't even have no smoking areas, which I would prefer. In Belgium you can't smoke in resturants but you can smoke if tents or fully encloused & heated shelters outside. You can smoke in cafes, if they don't serve food. My local cafe in Antwerp used to serve small snacks until the latest tightening, now you can bring your own food in & they still serve soup. In England it wouldn't work as someone would be bound to complain but give the Belgians their due, it appears the non-smokers go to places they know will be smoke free & don't feel the need to stop us smoking in our places. A civilized acceptance of the status quo.
However there are politicians who mumble about tightening things further & I guess it will come in the end but until then I'll continue to enjoy my Wed pm at the 'Cafe Diamonte' :smile:

[El Yanqui]

The smoking bans are just something I wholly disagree with. It probably has a bit to do with being a West Coast American, where there will always be an inherent distrust of federal mandates, but is largely just personal opposition to any authority that presumes it 'knows better' for me.

Sadly Spain is suffering as well. A new smoking ban is being implemented and according to my in-laws in Madrid, it will be smoke free in July.

[goose165]

The smoking bans are just something I wholly disagree with. It probably has a bit to do with being a West Coast American, where there will always be an inherent distrust of federal mandates, but is largely just personal opposition to any authority that presumes it 'knows better' for me.

Sadly Spain is suffering as well. A new smoking ban is being implemented and according to my in-laws in Madrid, it will be smoke free in July.
WOW THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD:eviltongue:

[El Yanqui]

I'm just here to liberate and then I'm gone. Honest. :tongue:

[Lionhound]

I think that's in Calabasas, California. In February 2006, California became the 1st state to declare second-hand tobacco smoke a toxic air pollutant. What about the smog we breath...that's not toxic? California is F**KED UP! Starting with the Governator!:der:

Nice to know Arnie's no hypocrite(SP)!!!
How can he sit about for photos etc sporting a huge stoagie and be governor of a state with such laws.
How the fuck can you police a ban in the home??
Bloody sure Arnie isn't adhering to it.
Absolute spineless bollocks, bullshit, arselicking nnonsense. Thought you guys were the land of the free, don't be dictated to the way we are. I can see benefits in some places being smokefree but give us a bloody choice, especially don't allow people to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own homes. That is beyond the realms of what we elect governments for. As far as I'm concerned smoking is my choice, not a legal issue. Leave the police & the law free to deal with real crime.
At home, if the wife is unhappy at you smoking inside you either go into the garden, shed, garage etc or you compromise ie one smoking room or whatever. A sensible agreement. Why can our leaders not understand and adopt this stance instead of dictating what they decide we need. We're all big boys and girls now, leave us alone to enjoy our leisure and for God's sake leave us somewhere where we can have a quiet innocent smoke.
Thank you..

[maltesefalcon]

Nice one Lionhound. At last ,someone with some balls on this forum. And before you all start with your smart little snipes (how we've all got balls on this site yadda,yadda) I'm talking about guts.Fine they can stop me from smoking in a public place but dont tell me I can't smoke in the street or in my own home.If this ever happens the world would truly have gone made.Imagine.. Churchill throne out of the war room for smoking cigars...Patton asked to leave the field of battle for smoking a cigar....Fucking crazy.

[monkey66]

Well said. And another thing how bad is the obesity problem in the US (and the UK for that matter). Bet sugar and KFC do a damn site more harm than second-hand smoke, perhaps they should also be banned?


Nice to know Arnie's no hypocrite(SP)!!!
How can he sit about for photos etc sporting a huge stoagie and be governor of a state with such laws.
How the fuck can you police a ban in the home??
Bloody sure Arnie isn't adhering to it.
Absolute spineless bollocks, bullshit, arselicking nnonsense. Thought you guys were the land of the free, don't be dictated to the way we are. I can see benefits in some places being smokefree but give us a bloody choice, especially don't allow people to dictate to us what we can and can't do in our own homes. That is beyond the realms of what we elect governments for. As far as I'm concerned smoking is my choice, not a legal issue. Leave the police & the law free to deal with real crime.
At home, if the wife is unhappy at you smoking inside you either go into the garden, shed, garage etc or you compromise ie one smoking room or whatever. A sensible agreement. Why can our leaders not understand and adopt this stance instead of dictating what they decide we need. We're all big boys and girls now, leave us alone to enjoy our leisure and for God's sake leave us somewhere where we can have a quiet innocent smoke.
Thank you..

[Big J]

Totally agree with you, Lionhound. The people are so F..king stupid.They just don't realise that the government little by little are taking away more of our rights and trying to tell us how to live our lifes. Politicians are just a bunch of actors, crooks and liars. I don't need no freaking Politicians to tell me how to live and what do with my life. USA was built on "WE THE PEOPLE" and we supposed to be "THE LAND OF THE FREE" Also, I'm sick and tired of all this PC bullshit. Now this days, everything is PC...WTF! I'll smoke in my house and my car when ever i want. If no one likes it, screw them!
Just my opinion. :cowboyic9:

[tippexx]

Well said. And another thing how bad is the obesity problem in the US (and the UK for that matter). Bet sugar and KFC do a damn site more harm than second-hand smoke, perhaps they should also be banned?

Not a chance Monkey ..... not while they help sponsor the Olympics!

[JoeyC]

What gets me is, if everyone stopped using tobacco products at once it would put a serious hurt on the government with that big a loss in tax income. What happened to free choice, if a bar, restaurant, or store owner wants to allow smoking in their establishment they should have that right. If non-smokers don’t want to be around it, go to a place that does not have it.

[crslaytor]

true, if they want to allow it lets allow it :rolleyes:

Next week I am going to good old eastern european country with no smoking and drinking laws!! Once I'm out of the airport will light it up and smoke all the time till the very last moment i go back to the airport :D even the hotel room is for smokers!!! :biggrin1: :smokin::smokin::smokin: :biggrin1:

[Lou3]

I'm sorry to hear about this latest legislation in the UK.

Speaking from the US perspective, a certain contingent won't stop until you can't even smoke by yourself on your own patio. They claim to have science on their side, but their attitude clearly wreaks of a witch hunt.

If they are eventually able to completely ban cigarettes and vilify the concept of smoking at any time in history, what's next? No doubt something will always be next.

[Lionhound]

What a good idea all you highly intelligent government type chaps. After all, the economic policy seems to be working a treat. The country's rolling in cash, the people are happy, they've got loadsamoney accruing in the banks. So much so that we'll stop all those dirty bastards from smoking by banning tobacco cos we dont need the tax income anymore, the economy's booming. In fact I think we'll also stop taking tax on fuel too, after all its only about 80 percent of the cost of a litre that we take anyway, bloody chickenfeed.

"Sarah, Sarah. I've just had this incredible dream."
"Oh fuck off Gordon and go back to sleep. Stop living in a fantasy world."

See that's roughly how I see it. Everyone including myself hates tax rises. Thats why I laughed at suggestions that the government drasticly cut fuel duty. If they did so they would need to raise income tax or levy some other tax cos good old Gordy and co have every penny, and more, spent.
Now, imagine how unhappy everyyone would be about that, even though the majority if not all of us rely on fuel in some form.
Now take a tobacco ban. Tax wouldnt have to go up as much obviously cos we're a minority group, but imagine how pissed off everyone would be if they all had to fork out extra just so they could deny us our right to smoke. And I'm sure thats one that all the antismoking lobby have not considered yet, or if they have its certainly not at the top of their ad campaign. Can you see it being as popular if the slogan was along the lines of "surely you're all happy to pay an extra 1p in the £ to deny these smokers their pleasure"

We're doing them a bloody FAVOUR.
Here endeth todays wee rant.