Cohiba Robusto Cigars - For Sale

[bossanovaboy]

Hello All

I have a unopened box of ........
Hey mate.....no posting sales before you've reached 50 posts......STEVE

[El Catador]

Opening up a . . http://www.millan.net/anims/giffar/canoworms.gif

[Stevieboy]

Opening up a . . http://www.millan.net/anims/giffar/canoworms.gif


Heh heh....

I can't believe I managed to mod this before CJ...he usually pounces like a fiend!!

[bossanovaboy]

ok sorry, my bad

[Boss Hog]

Here we go again, we could start one of those rolling stories.

I'll start. feel free to carry on :biggrin1:

"I just got back from Cuba and have an unopened box of ........"

[daverave999]

"Cohiba Esplendidos with a glass"

[Boss Hog]

"top, that were from gonzales's brother who actually works in the factory and he smuggled them out in his...."

[daverave999]

"pants, with the genuine seals to stick on later stuffed into his..."

[cj121]

...arsecrack:rock::biggrin1:



http://jeffreyricker.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bullshit.jpg

[Stevieboy]

Classy Chris....classy LOL

...arsecrack:rock::biggrin1:



http://jeffreyricker.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bullshit.jpg

[Stevieboy]

ok sorry, my bad

Not a problem pal...hang around for long enough and you'll soon be up to the 50 posts!

We're a bit defensive when it comes to new members wanting to sell stuff....we'd rather not become a cigar eBay you see...LOL


cheers mate :thumb:

Steve

[G-man]

Leaving the factory it was a close call.
The guard asked me"is that a cigar in your pocket,
Or are you just glad to see me" good thing he was gay
And I told him "Im glad to see you.Works every time.
Now you see what I do to get you these cigars !

[jdawg]

Leaving the factory it was a close call.
The guard asked me"is that a cigar in your pocket,
Or are you just glad to see me" good thing he was gay
And I told him "Im glad to see you.Works every time.
Now you see what I do to get you these cigars !

thats above and beyond the call of duty there G-man :der:

[cj121]

Classy Chris....classy LOL

I was just going to bed Steve, and I did think it was a tad excessive and rude, but I didn't have time to change it:( Bumcrack (my original thought) would have been equally effective and probably more humourous:smile:

Sorry Bossanovaboy. I guess folk have seen this scenario all too often:

Chap comes back from Cuba, with a box of Cohiba (one of the most faked cigars in the world), puts them up for sale in his first post, without reading the few rules we have here.

Why don't you pop some pictures up on here for folk to see and you might get some advice as to whether they are genuine?

[saggel]

If it has a glass top, I'll take them :cowboyic9:

[bossanovaboy]

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[bossanovaboy]

he bought this classic mg into cuba part by part lol he told me he bought the gearbox via hand luggage with virgin airlines lol
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He has a ferrari in london with the number plate that he bought in the 80's and the plate is now worth something like £33,000 he told me, That car has been sitting in his garage the last 10 months lol.

Thats me and my girlfriend at the back then her sister in the passenger seat with my cigar supplier in the driving seat

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1656

[EugeneSax]

This is the first time im actually selling cigars. Its a long story but in cuba i was with my girlfriends sister who lives in england and i met her good friend of 10 years who was born and raised in london and lives in cuba with his wife, he is pretty much loaded with cash because he started a property business aged 23 and is now 47 and has many properties over the world but not in cuba since he is not allowed lol.

Anyway i told him i wanted to take some cigars back to the uk and he told me he can get them cheap because he knows people that can sort him out, so i went with him to some guys house where he pulled out many boxes of cigars so i purchased a few to bring back to the uk to sell, im not an expert on cigars but from what i can see they are not fakes since he is a trustworthy person and he would never smoke fakes himself but i will upload some pictures and you guys can tell me.



Hello,

I am the custom officer incharge to the Public Bureau of Beijing Capital Airport disposal office left-luggage counters at T2. One is located near Gate 9 on the first floor, in Beijing Capital International Airport, located in northeast of Beijing, capital of People's Republic of China.

There is a consignment in my position that contains some liquid cash of Seven Million United State Of American Dollars(US$ 7,000,000.00) destinated to China for immediate delivery.

As it was tagged (SPAAR DIT LIQUID SEWE MILJOEN US DOLLAR UIT HAITI) which means in english (SAVE THIS LIQUID SEVEN MILLION US DOLLARS FROM HAITI) I sized it and davited it after been scanned privately which i find out that it is real us dollars and i recorded it as left luggage and keep it secretly in our store house.

Over six months now its remained unclaimed because i hided it from the public do to, i have it in mind to send it out away for my self intereast out of the Public Bureau of Beijing Capital Airport to your country before anyone will have knowledge about this box.

Please this is the reason why, i wish to email you so as you will understand the issue and if you can receive it without any problem at your door step then i will make the arrangement of the consignment to come to you safely in your countrty without any delay.
Your's truely,
Dept Huan
Officer



Spot the similarities!

Same old story, albeit with slightly different & more elaborate detail = same old scam.

If they didn't come out of the factory's front door they are "fake" pure & simple (unless actually stolen).

Mind you, as I've said previously, there are some pretty good fakes around that can smoke well, but finding them's a far far riskier gamble than dicing with Cuba's not overly efficient official quality control.

[bossanovaboy]

i will post the pics soon and you guys can tell me if they are fake or not and if someones in leicester and wants to have a look to see if they are fakes let me know.

[Boss Hog]

If it has a glass top, I'll take them :cowboyic9:

Looking for another ebay money spinner already. lol

[Lee Nub]

Looking for another ebay money spinner already. lol


LOL :hail:

[moidoid]

i will post the pics soon and you guys can tell me if they are fake or not and if someones in leicester and wants to have a look to see if they are fakes let me know.


You've been had mate. No-one on here would touch them with a barge-pole with that history to them.

[cj121]

You've been had mate. No-one on here would touch them with a barge-pole with that history to them.

You ol' cynic Moid:p

[bossanovaboy]

If i dont sell them here it doesnt matter i guess, i have some people interested elsewhere.

I'm taking some pics now so will have them uploaded soon

[bossanovaboy]

ok heres some photos, you want pictures of the actual cigars too right? ok thats a silly question i will unwrap the box and take photos of them too.

what am i looking for? what signs tell me they are fake?

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1659
http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1658
http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1657

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1660

[Deano]

Well they're Cohiba Siglo VI for a start and not Cohiba Robusto's.

Impossible to tell from the box, but if you've bought them through a mate of a mate, no one will touch them who knows anything about Cuban cigars.

[Deano]

Am I the only one who thinks it's odd they were stamped 6 days ago? When did you get them?!

[bossanovaboy]

got them on the 23rd feb and came back from cuba on the 24th feb.

i have 2 more smaller boxes then this one so i think they must be robusto's.

[daverave999]

I've never seen an actual date on any boxes before, just the month. Is this new?

[Seriesteve]

Never Ever ! Seen them Dated as in DD/MM/YYYY
:rolleyes:

[Lads2000]

Did think the boxes are stamped with the exact date, and only the month and year of production? or at least the boxes I have do not have dates assigned as far as I can remember

[bossanovaboy]

like i said im new to cigars so i have no idea about the date thing sorry.

shall i break the seal and take photos of the inside? maybe theres some clues inside???

[EugeneSax]

I too was wondering about the DD/MM/YYYY - never seen that before, but I haven't bought a whole box for a couple of years or more*.

Also shouldn't there be a hologram or something on the box or as part of the seal?

[*EDIT - In fairness, the box is (suposedly?) so recent that this way of dating could well be something new that none of would have seen before]

[bossanovaboy]

I too was wondering about the DD/MM/Yr - never seen that before, but I haven't bought a whole box for a couple of years or more.

Also shouldn't there be a hologram or something on the box or as part of the seal?


not sure about the hologram but i did notice in the duty free in habana they had the same boxes for $365 and they had no holograms and looked liked the ones i had.

[Boss Hog]

Am I the only one who thinks it's odd they were stamped 6 days ago? When did you get them?!


Yes, looks more like felt tip than a stamp!!

[Lads2000]

I recently (this month) brought back a box of Petit Edmundos from the partagas factory and they were still stamped with only the month and year (Nov 09) and had two of the product of cuba stickers one with a hologram.

[bossanovaboy]

heres a more clearer pic of the back of the box, its a stamp for sure.

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1661

[daverave999]

Photos of the contents would help a great deal. The wood inlay, the ribbon, the cigar bands and close-ups of the foot (end on) of one would help.

[saggel]

but... there is no glass top :(
Are they fake fakes? :rolleyes:

[EugeneSax]

Also shouldn't there be a hologram or something on the box or as part of the seal?



Found this on the a web site:

"Only Cuban Cigars sold at authorized Government stores in Cuba will bear the new hologram. Boxes for export for retailers world wide WILL NEVER BEAR THIS HOLOGRAM"

The above refers to a separate holographic sticker. However, according to CA the warranty seals themselves should have 2 additional elements that I don't see in the photos: a hologram and a bar code. This appears to be conclusive evidence that they are FAKE.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Features/CA_Feature_Basic_Template/0,2344,2676,00.html
(http://www.puroreycigars.com/fakes/)

[bossanovaboy]

heres some more pics

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1668

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1667

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1666

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1665

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1664

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1663

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1662

[saggel]

Excuse me for this... but are we still talking for a sale here?

[bossanovaboy]

Excuse me for this... but are we still talking for a sale here?


i have no idea but if someone wants them then you can try before you buy, i will let you smoke one of them to see if they are the good stuff or not since i dont know anything about the taste of fakes and reals since im a beginner.

[Deano]

The inlays aren't round cut, another sign they're fakes. Also, they all look varying sizes from the side on shot.

Sorry mate, but it looks like you've been had, just like a whole bunch of tourists. Nothing to be ashamed about, just the way it is if you don't buy from a shop over there.

[EugeneSax]

As previously posted, the lack of hologram & bar code on the seal seals it for me.

The gold "COHIBA" on the bands doesn't appear to be embossed either (but that could be just be the photo).

They do look good, though. How do they smell?

[daverave999]

They do look good, but the date thing, the corner of the inlay and the lightness of the ribbon (though it may be a colour reproduction issue with camera/monitor) concern me.

[EDIT] Re: the hologram, there was a post on another thread suggesting that not all of them have the hologram yet.

[bossanovaboy]

they are all the same size and the gold is embossed on the cigar bands, it was just a bad photo by me.

anybody in leicester or near abouts? i will let you try one for free so you can tell me what they are like?

and what are the inlays?

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1669

[daverave999]

By inlay, I mean this bit of wood resting on top of the cigars. I have no idea if that's the proper term.

The cut-off at the corner should be curved, not straight.



http://www.ukcigarforums.com/picture.php?albumid=178&pictureid=1662

[Cuchillo]

He has a ferrari in london with the number plate C1GAR that he bought in the 80's and the plate is now worth something like £33,000 he told me, That car has been sitting in his garage the last 10 months lol.


Not sure if this helps or not, but I did a quick check on the Car Checker and RAC websites and C1GAR is currently assigned to a FORD TRANSIT 330 MWB BI-FUEL.

:confused:

[bossanovaboy]

Not sure if this helps or not, but I did a quick check on the Car Checker and RAC websites and is currently assigned to a FORD TRANSIT 330 MWB BI-FUEL.

:confused:


i was looking at his photos when he told me about it, i thought the number plate read c1gar but i could be wrong might of been or some other variation of those, its one a ferrari like the one in magnum the 80's tv series

[jdawg]

I can easily see how the uninformed would get fooled by these. They are well-made fakes. Many counterfeiters use actual boxes, bands, etc., stolen from the factories.

Others have already mentioned the reasons why they are fake (lack of hologram, box date, inlay cut).

The box date is what really does it for me. I have never seen the actual day posted on the box. Also, there is a period after FEB, which I have never seen that either.

Might as well smoke them up anyhow. They may still taste ok.

[bossanovaboy]

i used this to compare the cigars and the ones i have match the real photos and not the fakes, maybe these photos are old or something i dont know

http://havanajournal.com/cigars/cohibas

[Cuchillo]

i was looking at his photos when he told me about it, i thought the number plate read c1gar but i could be wrong might of been c11gar or some other variation of those, its one a ferrari like the one in magnum the 80's tv series
Ah, 308 GTS (I think) ... Very Nice :rock:

[EugeneSax]

i used this to compare the cigars and the ones i have match the real photos and not the fakes, maybe these photos are old or something i dont know

http://havanajournal.com/cigars/cohibas

That honestly means nowt - not all fakes look the same. Like the real thing, they're (mostly?) hand made so prone to variance due to the human factor

I have had some fakes that I know for certain were fakes but were better made & better looking than some genuine Cubans.

It's the elements that aren't down to human factors that are telling - date stamps, warranty seals & the like.

[bossanovaboy]

so who wants to try one on the house???? thats the only way i will know if they are real or fake.

or shall i cut it up?

[EugeneSax]

I'd be more tha happy to try one - I've got nothing against smoking fakes, if they're good ones.

[saggel]

I am in Coventry if I can help... I could even take some more photos with my camera!

[bossanovaboy]

I am in Coventry if I can help... I could even take some more photos with my camera!

if your not too far you can come and see them and check them out and even smoke one. Im at my dads restaurant today till 8pm so im free till then. Its a indian/punjabi takeaway lol so i can have some chicken samosas ready for you.

[daverave999]

I would offer too but I've not smoked lots of Cohibas so I wouldn't be the best judge.

[moppy]

Hell Im in Leicester, if you want me to try one, I'll be more than happy to oblige! How much were you looking for btw?

Edit: I should mention I know nothing about cigars and am just looking to score one for free :P

But more to the point, which restaurant is this? Ive been to quite a few Indian restaurants in Leicester (Im Indian you see) and have probably frequented your dads!

[bossanovaboy]

Hell Im in Leicester, if you want me to try one, I'll be more than happy to oblige! How much were you looking for btw?

Edit: I should mention I know nothing about cigars and am just looking to score one for free :P

But more to the point, which restaurant is this? Ive been to quite a few Indian restaurants in Leicester (Im Indian you see) and have probably frequented your dads!

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[moppy]

well its off melton road, you know where gypsy lane is? wyvern arms pub? just around the corner from there
The best Indian places usually aren't frequented by non Indians :p I dont think Ive been to this one though, whats it called?

I used to love this tiny little place called Punjabi Dhaba on St. Saviours Road but I guess it didnt make enough money to stay open so it shut down recently :(

Anyway I should probably stop derailing this thread, just know that if you dont wanna smoke em yourself and have no one to give em away to, I will personally collect them from you wherever you are in Leicester :p And probably give your dads restaurant a bit of custom too :biggrin1:

[bossanovaboy]

The best Indian places usually aren't frequented by non Indians :p I dont think Ive been to this one though, whats it called?

I used to love this tiny little place called Punjabi Dhaba on St. Saviours Road but I guess it didnt make enough money to stay open so it shut down recently :(

Anyway I should probably start derailing this thread, just know that if you dont wanna smoke em yourself and have no one to give em away to, I will personally collect them from you wherever you are in Leicester :p And probably give your dads restaurant a bit of custom too :biggrin1:



just need to find out what i have because i dont think they are fake just yet, still need to do some investigating and get an expert to taste them.

but if they are fakes for sure then i guess i will hand some out lol.

[moppy]

I recognise the name, probably have seen it before.

Could you not take the cigars round to a decent tobacconist and ask him to tell you whether they're real or not?

If you manage to find a tobacconist that actually has something other than tubed cigars though, please let me know cos I havent seen one yet!

[Stevieboy]

I don't think the curved cut on the inlay should be a definite indication of fakery....I looked at a few of my empties and my Espis and Siglo VIs have curved cuts but my Lanceros have straight cuts.....

I have to be honest and say they look pretty convincing but the provenance is very doubtful and I'm very wary of the date stamp....I doubt you could buy a six day old box of cigars even from the factory never mind a friend of a friend :hmmmm:

[daverave999]

Forgot to ask, how are they being stored?

[bossanovaboy]

Forgot to ask, how are they being stored?

at the moment they are in my storage cupboard in my room away from heaters, my room doesnt get really cold or too hot, it stays in the middle between 15 celcius and 20 celcius probably.

i know i need to store them properly soon or they will go bad, a friend recommended a tubberware tub and some sort of zip bag and then some sort of weird cream and maybe the use of an old fridge and maybe a towel or something.

[moppy]

http://ukcigarforums.com/showthread.php?t=4485

Read that thread! In case they are real, you will hate yourself if you ruined them!

[saggel]

ouch...!!!!

[bossanovaboy]

i've only had them a few days but i will be investing in some equipment on the weekend.

[PoohBore]

at this rate your post count will soon be high enough for a legit for sale post, lol

[Daize]

Those look damn real to me ! The dating bothers me as well though, asides from that they have me fooled if they are fake.

[nicwing]

Not sure if this helps or not, but I did a quick check on the Car Checker and RAC websites and C1GAR is currently assigned to a FORD TRANSIT 330 MWB BI-FUEL.

:confused:

I would be interested in a picture of the Transit, does it have a date stamp?

[rollzst]

They do look suprisingly real however the date on the bottom is what leaves me feeling suspicious

[moidoid]

Have you got any sales on ebay at the moment bossanovaboy?

[saggel]

Have you got any sales on ebay at the moment bossanovaboy?

Good catch (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cohiba-Robusto-Cigar-Box_W0QQitemZ250588300618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Col lectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE?hash=item3a583a054 a) mate!!!!
Does this mean that all the other photos were not from this box?

[moppy]

Good catch (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cohiba-Robusto-Cigar-Box_W0QQitemZ250588300618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Col lectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE?hash=item3a583a054 a) mate!!!!
Does this mean that all the other photos were not from this box?
How do you know the eBay seller is the OP?

[saggel]

Cause I know his name and that he's in Leicester

[monkey66]

The date is wrong
The stamp is wrong
The story is wrong
The providence is wrong

...the cigars are wrong!

[El Catador]

The providence is wrong
Why? ... are you saying the 'God's' are against it? http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/dead.gif

Let us prey for the cigars

[moidoid]

I thought that the two might be linked.

I'm unimpressed with someone selling on fleabay when they have been told they are likely to be fakes.

[Lionhound]

Methinks some dodgy dealing has gone on!!!

Being conned into buying a fake is despicable but we all know it goes on and none of us approve of it. If you've been had learn from it and live with it, but don't try and do the same to someone else.

Sorry if I seem harsh but thats the way I see it. Treat others as you would like them to treat you.

Mini-rant over. I thank you.

[saggel]

I don't think that the guy is a BOTL or even cigar smoker. I don't believe he ever went to Cuba either! He's just trying to make some pounds but he's using the wrong way! I'm glad he never convinced anyone in this fine forum to buy his fakes! Therefore, I propose, such attempts to be followed by instant deletion and banning to avoid any future accidents!

[Deano]

They usually are, but sometimes we like some fun...

[moidoid]

He had the Cohibas in a sealed box - which means that when he posted pics there was something fishy going on and there was a box of Hoyo Regalos LE on Ebay too. Now all apparently disappeared!

[rokkitsci]

Its a long story but...

I'll buy them!

I'm just a stupid git from the states and don't know any better, plus I'm desperate for Koobin Seegars and will pay any price.

And your story had me in tears...

[Eggboy]

The detective work to catch this guy out was pretty impressive it has to be said

[Cigar-aficionado]

The registration number C1GAR belongs to Hunters and Frankau and it's on one of their delivery vans, reported to have cost them in excess of £20,000 some years ago now

[Smallclub]

The inlays aren't round cut, another sign they're fakes. Also, they all look varying sizes from the side on shot.

That story about round cut/straight cut of the cedar divider is probably the oldest and most enduring myth in the world of habanos.

The shape of the cut means NOTHING. I have had dozens of boxes containing a cedar sheet w/ straight cut…

[cj121]

Can't compete with dozens, but I've had one:smile:

[Deano]

Not had one genuine one that hasn't been round cut. However, seen plenty of fakes with it. No doubt you get both, but the fakes always seem to have straight cuts.

[EugeneSax]

That story about round cut/straight cut of the cedar divider is probably the oldest and most enduring myth in the world of habanos.

The shape of the cut means NOTHING. I have had dozens of boxes containing a cedar sheet w/ straight cut…


But have you had dozens of boxes of COHIBAS?

And by boxes - do you mean dress boxes, SBN or slide lid boxes (aka cabinets)? In the first two the cedar inlay acts as a divider between the 2 layers, whilst in SLB's it sits atop the cigars. Performing a slightly different function, the cabinet inlay's details might well be different.

The inlays in my 3 Cohiba SLB's all have curved cut-aways, which makes me think this is how they should always be for this brand. I'd be very surprised if these things were simply haphazard as you seem to suggest. There must be a definitive answer somewhere out there.

[Smallclub]

But have you had dozens of boxes of COHIBAS?

And by boxes - do you mean dress boxes, SBN or slide lid boxes (aka cabinets)? In the first two the cedar inlay acts as a divider between the 2 layers, whilst in SLB's it sits atop the cigars. Performing a slightly different function, the cabinet inlay's details might well be different.
You raise good points. I had mostly the divider in mind, and I am sure of my facts on this…
However I just checked the inlays in a few SLBs and they all have a round cut. I'll check some empties tomorrow…

And no, I haven't had dozens of boxes of Cohibas… :frown: :eviltongue: …:biggrin1:

[daverave999]

I don't think it's unheard of for a real box to have a straight cut, but it must considered with the other suspicious aspects in this case.

[Lads2000]

The box of Cohiba Robustos I brought back recently from cuba (bought from the partagas factory) has a stright cut cedar divider, I just think it is luck of the draw.... I guess

[snooky]

You made me open, my box and it's round-cut, they look so good and smell as good , now i have to smoke em, see what you made me do !
:smoke:B-liss.