Cubans v Non Cubans

[roberto]

Hey all ,

I'm quite new to this site, so please forgive me as I'm sure this question has been asked many times before..

I've a few friends that smoke only Cuban cigars, who will not even attempt to try cigars from elsewhere. Obviously, this being the UK, Cubans are widely available and probably the most common?

The thing is, on recent trips to the states, I've bought a bunch of different Dominician and Honduran Cigars and I've really been enjoying them. After looking online at the big cigar review sites, I've started to notice that although the BEST Cubans are the best in the world, many cuban cigars are simply just average and cigars from elsewhere rated higher.

While I realise that every man has different tastes, I guess I just want to know if anyone else gets a little annoyed listening to people talking down other cigars when they have likely a limited experience of what they have to offer?

Just had this on my mind! First post!

Rob

[seanbeer]

speaking from my limited expereince with NCs and CCs.

To me, they are just 'different', I don't compare between them, at least I try not to.

They are a bit like new world and old world wine debate.

given the prices of NCs and CCs avialable to me are similar. I choose CCs every time.

but that's me.

[monkey66]

Many varied discussions on this subject, try a little forum search.

For me it's cc's every time.

[daverave999]

This discussion tends to get quite heated. :D

There is a distinct difference between them to me, and I prefer Cubans. Smoke what you want though! There is no 'best' cigar, only what you think is the best.

[Styler]

Well I've been smoking cigars for about 8 months to a year and at the start I thought that NCs were great, cheaper and just as tasty with a pretty huge range avaliable. However as time passed and my palate developed (I like to think!), I have come to the conclusion that what matters is flavour complexity and there are very few NCs that can match CCs in that respect. There are however some great sticks out there like the Oliva Serie V Torpedos and Man O' War Virtues to name but a couple and to not try them because they're not cuban is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face IMO.

One of the things that make cigars great to me is the diversity avaliable and that one man's meat is another man's poison. It's part of the hobby to discuss cigars and debate over differing opinions. It's a poor show when people start to take it personally and turn a discussion into an argument.

[TJCoro]

Many varied discussions on this subject, try a little forum search.

For me it's cc's every time.



Spoken like a true Puro Snob! :41:


http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/r08q1013timmo/crackhead.gif Umm. Don't listen to http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/x08t5408hopjs/monkey.gifmonkeyboy, muchacho! I haven't seen a topic here this year that hasn't been discussed before. :stupido:

:nerd: Besides...recycling is good for the earth and other living things.


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[TJCoro]

Well I've been smoking cigars for about 8 months to a year and at the start I thought that NCs were great, cheaper and just as tasty with a pretty huge range avaliable. However as time passed and my palate developed (I like to think!), I have come to the conclusion that what matters is flavour complexity and there are very few NCs that can match CCs in that respect.


:nerd: That so sweet, chicho :willy: knewbee...but give youself a little more time in the humidor...say a few years, before you make such sweeping cu:censored:clusions about non-cubans and the Fabulous World of Cigars!!!

As me pappy :849:Pappy Coro used to say "Non-Cuban Cigars are like women, muchacho....you can't smoke all the cigars in the world, but you can sure try!"

http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/r08q1013timmo/crackhead.gif Anyways, that's what I think he used to say. :dontknow:


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[monkey66]

Aahh the famous BJ Hooker ...Maybe you want to try starting some real threads instead of just bitching about others contributions ...just a thought big guy?

Isn't that what you senior :couch2: mods are supposed to do, you know, contribute :confused: Don't even know why you post here, seems you are just :banghead: ...still not much (or should that be muchachos?) to damage :wacko: :wacko:

That BJ should have read his contract :deal:

Oh no, did he just screw the pooch again :catsmoker: ....look at the size of the bitches pipe :jaw:

Better a snob :41: that a knob (look it up Yankee :usa2:)...i'm looking at you don BJ and your fruity clan :grouphug: :whip:

:nurse: :nurse: get the old man a new nappy ....oh too late :saint:

[Styler]

It's a poor show when people start to take it personally and turn a discussion into an argument.


:nerd: That so sweet, chicho :willy: knewbee...but give youself a little more time in the humidor...say a few years, before you make such sweeping cuntclusions about non-cubans and the Fabulous World of Cigars!!!


I can draw any conclusion I want and I can revise it if I change my mind at a later date, at no point was I telling anyone else what to think...

[monkey66]

I can draw any conclusion I want and I can revise it if I change my mind at a later date, at no point was I telling anyone else what to think...

I am with you there Styler, your opinion summary was very good and the language was quite inappropriate!

[seanbeer]

should do some blind tasting (smoking) to find out

[Fat1]

I don't class myself as particularly knowledgeable but I know what I like.

I have smoked most cuban brands and a fair few sizes over the last few years. But I have a more limited experience of NCs, around 3 to 4 months in fact.

However from those I have tried (around a dozen brands in various sizes) I would say that there are definately a few that stand up to the best Cubans I have tasted.

In order I would rate my favourite NCs as

1) Alec Bradley Tempus (Imperator or Tera Novo sizes)

2) La Gloria Cubana Serie R ( Maduro)

3) Oliva O


If I could never smoke a cuban again I may possibly console myself if I had a humi full of these.

Thats just my opinion, saying that, I would rather not have to be in that position.


There are so many wonderful smokes out there, I dont see the point of judging them based on origin. Ultimately if they taste great, burn evenly and offer a few nice suprises along the way what does it matter.

If a Hamlet could ever offer the above I would be down to the local newsagent like a shot...

[TJCoro]

and do not call me a XXXX.


http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/r08q1013timmo/crackhead.gif Umm. Well then...what should I call you? El :willy: knewbee with no sense of humor? :twitch:


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:juggle: Hey el Perro....I like the name senor Johnson meself.http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/r08q1013timmo/cartman.gif

[Stevieboy]

I can draw any conclusion I want and I can revise it if I change my mind at a later date, at no point was I telling anyone else what to think...

Hey Styler - don't let old TJ bother you...this is just his way of testing your mettle...he does to all the new lads that he likes....it's just his weird Mexican way :p

[Lascaux]

For me, NC's do spice well, and do strength well. STRONG NC's are good, they are strong. They have a similar taste/spice across many many different brands.
NC's that aren't strong are pointless to me, they don't have finesse, cream or subtlety like light cubans do.

[leperaffinity]

I can draw any conclusion I want and I can revise it if I change my mind at a later date, at no point was I telling anyone else what to think... and do not call me a c*nt.

agreed here. everyone has the right to their opinion and such language is just crude.

[PoohBore]

Can a mod delete the words that are inappropriate please ? I find that word particularly offensive. This is supposed to be a cigar forum.

[Stevieboy]

I'm not going to edit TJ's posts...I'd best leave that up to him if he wants to but I've removed the word from the replies

Steve

[snooky]

Hi Rob good first post, certainly roused some different views, for me there is nothing like a good Cuban for flavour, though ive enjoyed many NC,s what i like about the NC's is the consistency they nearly always smoke well , ive had quite a few dissapointing CC's , hope you enjoy the forum and pick up some good reccomendations. :41:

[Bwgan]

I'm not going to edit TJ's posts...I'd best leave that up to him if he wants to but I've removed the word from the replies

Steve

One rule for one, one rule for another....nothing like balance heh??!! This sort of thing will be the death of this place, or has that already happened?

[Big J]

:hmmmm2::hmmmm:

[cohibaIV]

For me, NC's do spice well, and do strength well. STRONG NC's are good, they are strong. They have a similar taste/spice across many many different brands.
NC's that aren't strong are pointless to me, they don't have finesse, cream or subtlety like light cubans do.


I agree with you mate....:41:

[larrysputnik]

For me, NC's do spice well, and do strength well. STRONG NC's are good, they are strong. They have a similar taste/spice across many many different brands.
NC's that aren't strong are pointless to me, they don't have finesse, cream or subtlety like light cubans do.

Well put Lascaux. I would only add that construction is far better in the majority of NCs. But my vote will always go to my favorite CCs over my favorite NCs every time. (Plus, the best NCs are far more expensive than my favorite CCs and finances has to weigh into your decision if you are a working sloth like myself)

[tippexx]

(Plus, the best NCs are far more expensive than my favorite CCs and finances has to weigh into your decision if you are a working sloth like myself)


And it isn't just Caribbean NC's ..... http://www.italiansmokes.com/Hand-Made/

[cohibaIV]

And it isn't just Caribbean NC's ..... http://www.italiansmokes.com/Hand-Made/


JEZ!!!!!!!

:cowboyic9:

[PoohBore]

I'm very disappointed that the inappropriate word hasn't been removed from TJ's post. Strange but I thought the Mod status was bestowed on a group of members who were to regulate the way normal members behave. As an ordinary member could someone publish the rules that mods work to, "special member" rules and the rules for the rest of us. Very disappointed.

[Bwgan]

I'm very disappointed that the inappropriate word hasn't been removed from TJ's post. Strange but I thought the Mod status was bestowed on a group of members who were to regulate the way normal members behave. As an ordinary member could someone publish the rules that mods work to, "special member" rules and the rules for the rest of us. Very disappointed.

I think the explanation of your concern is "if you don't like, it jog on"(TM)....... symptomatic of this place recently...ronhill leggings on and lacing up my mizuno's

[PoohBore]

And the lack of action speaks a thousand words....

[cohibaIV]

And the lack of action speaks a thousand words....


Pooh,

PM sent

[peanutpete]

I think the explanation of your concern is "if you don't like, it jog on"(TM)....... symptomatic of this place recently...ronhill leggings on and lacing up my mizuno's


bwgan lately all your post have just been to snipe and have a go at this forum if you really dont like it why dont you just stay away, after all there are other forums out there,i am sure you can find one that is more to your liking

[cohibaIV]

Can a mod delete the words that are inappropriate please ? I find that word particularly offensive. This is supposed to be a cigar forum.


Done...

[PoohBore]

Thank you.

Back to the original post, so far I have found the nc's that I have tried to be very harsh and bitter. I have tried a reasonable range now through on auction on here and a few bombs. The padron cigar of the year I found awful. Just my 2 pence worth.

[larrysputnik]

Thank you.

Back to the original post, so far I have found the nc's that I have tried to be very harsh and bitter. I have tried a reasonable range now through on auction on here and a few bombs. The padron cigar of the year I found awful. Just my 2 pence worth.

Well glad we got that all cleared up then...

[Stevieboy]

One rule for one, one rule for another....nothing like balance heh??!!

I didn't edit RJ's post as we mods never edit each others posts....and please stop trying to cause dissent on the forum. Go elsewhere if you want to troll


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[Stevieboy]

...ronhill leggings on and lacing up my mizuno's

Shame you feel that way bgwan but carry on.....



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[Deano]

Thread will be locked unless we get back on subject, ta....

Personally never had a decent NC but then I have very very limited experience. Smoked an Oliva I series which was nice (only had a few puffs off a mate) and have a V to try.

Have a Tatuaje t110 at home from Shuckins that's meant to be very good. We'll see!

[TJCoro]

Personally never had a decent NC but then I have very very limited experience.


http://houseofsmileys.com/user/img/r08q1013timmo/crackhead.gif Ummm! Now that's what I'm talkin' about....never had a decent n/c, but very limited experience. :41:


:nerd: Fair & Balanced....You must work at FOX news. :pound:


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[Lascaux]

I'm curious to find a mild NC that rivals the depth of a cuban. Or just one that has merits beyond power and spice. Any suggestions?

[Smallclub]

I'm curious to find a mild NC that rivals the depth of a cuban. Or just one that has merits beyond power and spice. Any suggestions?
Davidoff maybe? or Flor de Selva?

There are very few NC that I've liked: Nicarao (piramid and toro), Cumpay short…
I tried several Fuente, including some Opus X's, and found them extremely uninteresting…

[peanutpete]

Thank you.

Back to the original post, so far I have found the nc's that I have tried to be very harsh and bitter. I have tried a reasonable range now through on auction on here and a few bombs. The padron cigar of the year I found awful. Just my 2 pence worth.


have to agree about the padron, the 45 i think it was how ever i found the 26 to be a nice smoke

[Fat1]

I'm curious to find a mild NC that rivals the depth of a cuban. Or just one that has merits beyond power and spice. Any suggestions?


Man o War Virtue might be worth a try?

Apologies if you already have :smile:

[asolomon]

Now that's a tasty stick.

But isn't it ridiculously expensive here?

You could well be best off ordering them from an American retailer. I originally posted this with a recommendation to a site that I think ships overseas but then realised that might be against forum rules, is it?

[Deano]

Yep. It's not a UK source so shouldn't be discussed. Ta.