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nicwing
02-02-2009, 09:46 PM
The lady wife has just pointed out a quote from a Sherlock Holmes episode where Holmes berates a foul foreign baddie with the phrase:

"If you want to take your place in British society I advise that you remove the band of your Havana Cigar or one might reasonably be considered a bounder"

So are you bounder or gentleman?

Comments please...

Nic
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Drewmidorn
02-02-2009, 10:08 PM
Band comes off once the cigars has warmed up, you don't need to advertise what you are smoking, but you don't want to ruin the wrapper!

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Alex
02-02-2009, 10:09 PM
I second that.

Pantomimehorse
03-02-2009, 01:33 AM
When it was legal to smoke indoors, I allways took the band off once loose from the warmth, now as I only smoke when out walking I dont tend to bother

Robusto
03-02-2009, 07:19 AM
I love keeping the band on whenever possible. I must be foreign!

I have ruined a few cigars when the band has 'caught' when being removed, though, so I like it to be slide-y for ease of removal.

Stogiedog
03-02-2009, 11:43 AM
I tend to keep the band on indoors or out however, if I am enjoying the last third and do not want the cigar to end I remove the band.
The band always removes easily at this point of the smoke anyway.:41:

johnnycashsboots
03-02-2009, 02:50 PM
i just take it off when it gets like its gonna burn
and i kinda like the thought of being a 'bounder'
remember the scene in scarface when tony's being exited from the restaurant
'look at the bad guy'

Robusto
03-02-2009, 05:50 PM
I think cigar bands can be very attractive, and that's why I don't take them off immediately.

I love the vibrant red and simple gold lettering of a D4. I love the yellow and black band and tube colours of Cohibas. I love the tacky boxing champion's belt look of Punch cigar bands. (These last ones are very 'showy', I think. That's not really me at all!).

And yet I also love the look of a Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure No2 which comes with no band at all. It's because its colour is so sultry, I think.

I've started to keep all my cigar bands because they are attractive souvenirs, and because I've smoked some different sticks recently. Cigar bands are very varied indeed.

So if I keep it on for most of the smoke, I now look after a band when I remove it from the cigar.


I like to think of myself as a bit of a bounder, even though I'm really a very good boy. A good cigar makes me feel much more at ease with myself, and I feel a liitle bit more self-assured when I stroll along our promenade in my silken breeches and top hat.

larrysputnik
05-02-2009, 02:14 AM
I think cigar bands can be very attractive, and that's why I don't take them off immediately.

I love the vibrant red and simple gold lettering of a D4. I love the yellow and black band and tube colours of Cohibas. I love the tacky boxing champion's belt look of Punch cigar bands. (These last ones are very 'showy', I think. That's not really me at all!).

And yet I also love the look of a Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure No2 which comes with no band at all. It's because its colour is so sultry, I think.

I've started to keep all my cigar bands because they are attractive souvenirs, and because I've smoked some different sticks recently. Cigar bands are very varied indeed.

So if I keep it on for most of the smoke, I now look after a band when I remove it from the cigar.


I like to think of myself as a bit of a bounder, even though I'm really a very good boy. A good cigar makes me feel much more at ease with myself, and I feel a liitle bit more self-assured when I stroll along our promenade in my silken breeches and top hat.

I agree with this line of thinking. If I like the look of the band I enjoy keeping it on there until the last quarter or so. But, if the band is not very appealing I'll take it off right away. Like the Montecristo; I think that maroon color is ugly against the cigar wrapper so I remove it almost immediately. It's not that I want to advertise the cigar, but I catch myself looking at my cigar a lot while I smoke it and the band sometimes adds to the aesthetic value of the experience. Bounder.:41:

nicwing
05-02-2009, 09:50 PM
Looks like Sherlock's foreign chum was in the right after all and I have it on very good authority...

I was sharing a great cigar with Edward, proprietor of Davidoff in Jermyn street today and I asked him.

He was very clear on the matter and I trust him totally:

The bands are put on by hand, it's easy for a tiny bit of glue to stick the band to the Cigar. Take it off too early and you risk spoiling the cigar.

Let the cigar warm up, after a while check to see if the band moves freely and if it does then it's safe to remove it if you want to. I watched and he only removed the band when he got to the last 2" of his cigar.

Sorted?

Deano
05-02-2009, 09:56 PM
Love the feel of the band so keep it on until the nub.

Noone I'd smoke around would know the difference between an expensive band, cheap band, or B&H wrapper, so it's not me attempting to look cool.

Just prefer the band on!

Scottish_Cuban
06-02-2009, 07:28 AM
Insome news piece i read recently, the brits are known for removing their tabs so they dont seem to be showing off. I dont take mine off till the heat gets to mine, i guess its personal preference nowadays. In cuba its frowned upon if you remove the tab before its about to catch fire! Plus its advertising over there so the spotters can see whos doing best lol.

Robusto
08-02-2009, 05:29 PM
More on the topic just in my email...

http://www.cigarinspector.com/other/should-we-remove-the-band-while-smoking

cohibaIV
09-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Always on??? They make and are part of the cigar...:confused::41::rock:

cj121
09-02-2009, 08:24 PM
Interesting debate to watch unfurl for newb. Personally, I keep mine on probably moving down according to whether the schmoking is good, and then off :41:

Lou3
12-02-2009, 06:29 AM
I once read that leaving the band on was considered to be pretentious, but I think it's pretentious to dictate band etiquette either way. Do what you want. I agree that some bands are beautiful and shouldn't be hidden. A band can start a good conversation.

Olls
12-02-2009, 08:39 AM
I had a look at the Zino Davidoff cigar etiquette guide which, I think, is where the idea of removing the band comes from. It's got a lot of good stuff in it, I particularly like:

"It is important to remember that cigar smokers should always present themselves as considerate, understanding people. Altering non-cigar smokers? preconceived opinions about cigar smokers, whilst improving the good name of enthusiasts, is well worth that little extra effort to be courteous."

But a lot of rubbish too, such as:

"Don't Smoke more than half the cigar"

Christ, the things are expensive enough to begin with without letting a good one die out at half way!

Personally I usually take the band off whenever it's loose enough to do so without damaging the wrapper - this could be before I start or not until right at the end.

I kind of feel that a massive cigar ain't exactly inconspicuous with or without the band on...

Robusto
12-02-2009, 09:58 AM
Lou

Re conversations. I agree.

I've had so many good conversations with people about cigars in public places prompted initially by the aroma - and then by the knowledge of the bands.

G-man
15-02-2009, 08:20 PM
I've always been kinda an outlaw so maybe thats why I leave the band on.:hail:

Rufus T. Firefly
16-02-2009, 02:42 AM
I usually take the band off my cigars when I get about half way done. I don't like to take them off too soon because of possible damage. I like to take them off when about half way done because it's easy to remove at that point and the risk of damage has been minimized. I must admit I do like the way some of them look, so I guess I'm a bounder.:nerd:

TJCoro
16-02-2009, 02:53 AM
:bandit:Puros always smoke better with the band on.

nicwing
20-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Herfin with Robusto on Tuesday, illustrates exactly why not to take the band off.

I left the band on until the cigar was warmed through and well past half way. No movement on the band so I left it a little longer and then started to remove it.

I was very cautious and just as well, the band was well stuck to the wrapper and I left it until I got to the last possible minute and then removed it.

No question I would have made a real mess of the cigar if I had taken the band off at the start.

DavidD
17-12-2012, 07:25 PM
I realise this is an elderly thread but looked it up as I was interested to view opinions on the subject. In my infancy as a cigar smoker I was told by several more experienced than I that the reason for cigar bands was to protect a gentleman's white gloves (historically worn when smoking) from the stain of a cigar wrapper. Is the band, therefore, simply a relic of times gone by ? I have always removed the band before lighting with an old smoker's knife incorporating a slender blade for the purpose. However, if a fellow smoker chose to keep the band on his cigar, I wouldn't see that as challenging any established protocol.

Monty72
18-12-2012, 10:53 AM
I leave the band on till the last quarter and then remove it. I keep all the bands in an empty cigar box much to the amusement of my wife :smile:

SmokeyDave
18-12-2012, 11:22 AM
I always try and keep my bands, if it is one I have never had before and looks good then I shall try and remove it as early as possible, to add to the collection.

If it's one of the 'regulars' then I remove it as and when it wants to budge.

This thread reminded me of the fact I keep finding bands all around the house where I have popped it down to 'file for later' and then forgot or they became hidden.

Wid3y
18-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Having seen some cool frames in sautters with varying bands I have decided to collect them up. Find some give way easily but most I remove once lit..

Anyone have any recommendations on best way to unstick the band so i can flat on a frame??

mrcigar
18-12-2012, 05:35 PM
Should the band be removed before lighting up or kept on until the very end? Well, I guess that all depends on where you are, in whose company you are, and the kind of person you are. They say that the manner in which a man holds his cigar is an indication of his personality. Is his attitude toward the band even more telling?

There is a rule of etiquette where removing the band before lighting up is the done thing, and I quite like that. It is a gesture of humility when in the company of other smokers who may not be able to afford the more expensive Cubans; it is a statement of single mindedness when in the company of others who wave their costly Cubans to demonstrate status and wealth, or those wishing to portray such an image.

However, such acts of dignity are not without risk. Venturing to remove the band too early increases the risk of tearing the wrapper, compromising, if not ruining, the ability to smoke the cigar at all. And doesn’t it all seem such a shame to remove the attractive decoration which gives each brand of cigar its own special identity. It’s a bit like buying a suit and cutting the pockets and buttons off it.

Perhaps, for some, removing the band is all part of the ritual, followed by the perfect cut using only the very best cutter and the perfect light, either a lighter or the three-match technique.

tippexx
18-12-2012, 05:45 PM
I much prefer the look of the few boxes I do have of unbandeds. Cigars to me look more dignified and strangely more complete without a band.

That said, without the bands my singles humi's would be in total chaos! :smile:

DavidD
18-12-2012, 06:32 PM
I hadn't realised, when I ressurected this thread, that such pearls of wisdom would flow so freely - and surely there are more to come ?

RickMG
19-12-2012, 02:36 AM
The band comes off before I light up, actually before I cut the cigar. Once I'm enjoying my cigar I don't want to bother stopping to remove the band.

Being in the states and speaking English I don't know what the meaning of "Bounder" is. Google translate didn't work. I might have wanted to know before I stated what I do with the band. :)

AlexG
19-12-2012, 02:55 AM
i usually leave the band on, and remove it just before the ask reaches the band. mostly because i dont want any moisture from my finger, be it natural or from my glass or something, to go on the wrapper and destroy any potential of nubbing it.
i also find that if the band is a bit sticky, warming the wrapper underneath makes it eaiser to remove and lessens the chance of tearing the wrapper.

Puff Scotty
19-12-2012, 11:41 AM
What a load of codswallop...in public or in private it's your cigar so do with it what you want..if you worry about what other people think, you wouldn't be smoking a cigar in the first place..
Those that think your pretentious can F%$K off & wouldn't look at the band anyway..just the naffing great brown thing in your gob!
As for ruining a cigar with a stuck band that's just downright stupidity & to ruin it beyond it being smokeable put's you in the total idiot bracket & suggests you shouldn't go out without your carer...
Rant over....

DavidD
19-12-2012, 12:00 PM
The band comes off before I light up, actually before I cut the cigar. Once I'm enjoying my cigar I don't want to bother stopping to remove the band.

Being in the states and speaking English I don't know what the meaning of "Bounder" is. Google translate didn't work. I might have wanted to know before I stated what I do with the band. :)

I'm sure that nobody considers you a bounder, Rick. In any event, you and I deal with the band in exactly the same way - off before cutting. And we can't both be bounders - can we ?

SmokeyDave
19-12-2012, 12:03 PM
I'm sure that nobody considers you a bounder, Rick. In any event, you and I deal with the band in exactly the same way - off before cutting. And we can't both be bounders - can we ?
Nah - one of you is a Cad! :cool:

tippexx
19-12-2012, 02:56 PM
Nah - one of you is a Cad! :cool:

No, to be a Cad you have to smoke silver tube RyJ Churchills which you obtain from your cigar merchant 'On Account' and you must drive a vintage Jag .... it's almost obligatory that you have a rich aunt who provides you with an allowance, that you've been quietly Cashiered from a famous regiment, and that you have a wallet that you always forget to have about you. :smile:

DavidD
19-12-2012, 05:07 PM
No, to be a Cad you have to smoke silver tube RyJ Churchills which you obtain from your cigar merchant 'On Account' and you must drive a vintage Jag .... it's almost obligatory that you have a rich aunt who provides you with an allowance, that you've been quietly Cashiered from a famous regiment, and that you have a wallet that you always forget to have about you. :smile:

I don't remember sending you my CV !!!

donkeydrop
19-12-2012, 05:24 PM
it seems pretty straight forward to me, if the band is stuck it stays on if its not it comes of,f it makes no difference to the cigar that you have bought for your own pleasure not anyone else's

DavidD
19-12-2012, 06:02 PM
I think that I've already said that my preference is for the Cohiba range and what I have found is that the bands - certainly on the Robusto, Siglo IV and Esplendido - slide off the cigar with ease. I have always interpreted that as even rolling as the band would slide either towards the cap or the tip. I can't recall ever having a glue residue on any of these cigars although I do acknowledge that with others that might well be the case and the penknife is needed.

senor_robusto
19-12-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cad%20and%20bounder

TJCoro
19-12-2012, 09:04 PM
What a load of codswallop...in public or in private it's your cigar so do with it what you want..if you worry about what other people think, you wouldn't be smoking a cigar in the first place..
Those that think your pretentious can F%$K off & wouldn't look at the band anyway..just the naffing great brown thing in your gob!
As for ruining a cigar with a stuck band that's just downright stupidity & to ruin it beyond it being smokeable put's you in the total idiot bracket & suggests you shouldn't go out without your carer...
Rant over....

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:lol: Haha! It's like he read our minds!

RickMG
20-12-2012, 01:01 AM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cad and bounder

HEY!!!:eviltongue: I guess thanks to DavidD but SmokeyDave, that's one heck of a way to leave someone hanging. I think I'd rather be a bounder. :confused:

You guys are hilarious.