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    I just read Colin Greenwood's excellent essay that covers the issues Radiohead is facing around how to release its new album.



    What is fascinating to me in the essay is the point he makes about there being fewer and fewer real events in music--the more that we have access to music, the more that we can repeat any aspect of it, from a live show to the music itself, the less special it all seems. I often argue to others that music is in many ways much better than it used to be; it is very easy to find an endless number of very good to excellent acts, and one does not have to simply know who knows the cool, unheard of stuff.

    On the other hand, it nonetheless seems less exciting to me to find a great new album, if only because there wasn't that much effort to it. And going to a show seems more mundane, as does a record release, and even the music itself. I recall that when I was a teenager, the very materiality of the record, especially vinyl, but even cd's and, to a much lesser extent, cassettes (those were terrible), was part and parcel of the excitement of the music. I actually read the liner notes, and looked at the pictures, and somehow each aspect seemed to support the other to create an entire, unique experience. I no longer feel that way, despite the fact that my love and consumption of music has not faded in the least.

    I'll stop before this too becomes an essay. I highly recommend reading Greenwood's piece and am curious if your experiences match or digress from mine.

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    Yes.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by larrysputnik View Post
      Yes.
      To the title question, the content of the essay, my ruminations, or all of it?

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      • #4
        Not sure if the music scene has lost something, but digital media and the internet are definitely changing it.

        I love music. I mean LOVE it. I still get that thrill when I buy new vinyl (well, second-hand, but new to me) or a new CD, but most of my music is digital, and downloading a new album is, as you say, mundane.

        Nevertheless, there are still "events". The release of the new Arcade Fire album springs to mind. I was very excited when that came out, and couldn't wait to listen to it (ultimately a little disappointed though )

        The biggest difference I've noticed is that there are fewer and fewer current "stadium" bands. Most stadium or headline bands these days are bands from the past that have lost their touch but have a brand that they can market, often getting back together for a moneymaking tour (Pearl Jam or Led Zep for instance). Current bands? Muse and Radiohead...and that's about it. I put it down to changes in the market - the internet has opened the doors for many small bands, and these days people don't have a couple of favourite bands. Instead, people have eclectic playlists of hundreds of bands, so no one gets a monopoly. Gigs are smaller, circulation is lower.

        Bands are also so throwaway these days. I know that I can love a band one week and within a month I'll have not only gone off them, but I'll possibly never play their stuff again.

        Interesting article though. I think Colin's right, there are further changes ahead - the internet-driven music loving audience is maturing, and there will be interesting times ahead. I'm not saying these changes are a bad thing, just that they're on the horizon.

        OK, ramble over
        I'm still waiting for the whiskey to whisk me away
        And I'm still waiting for the ashtray to lead me astray
        Josh Ritter, "Other Side"

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        • #5
          Talent. FULL STOP

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          • #6
            Last summer I took my 10 yr. old daughter to see Elton John at $125.00 a ticket.
            While I have to say the Ole boy hasn't lost a thing in 30 some odd years his audience did. I can remember like it was yesterday being in Madison Square Garden in NYC and the place was electric. When he played Rocket Man you could hear a pin drop because everyone felt the music. This past show people were more worried about how they looked and how much beer and alcohol they could consume . As I sat there I thought to myself this is not what I wanted my little girl to experience for a first concert . Should have taken her to the show before when we saw Billy Joel. More of a good time without all the yuppies and the sound was much more clear. So in closing music has to do something to salvage whats left cause if they don;t all the headliners will be gone and there will be nobdy to fill their slot.

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            • #7
              My generation and perhaps the generation before me doesn't really give two flying... ehm, pig shits about talent ! IMHO of course. If they did, truly care about the talent that goes into making 'music', as we know it now a-days we wouldn't have some many genres of drivel out there.

              As I sit here typing this, I'm wearing a Zeppelin T-shirt and contemplating listening to some Doors or maybe Canned Heat. Maybe even some Lightening Hopkins or Howling wolf. But my pal across the road is listening to Tiesto whilst getting ready to go a 'cruise' in his ''wicked punto''.

              There is no right or wrong answer to ''Has music lost something ?'' but in my opinion it has lost everything, morality, talent and now its all about money and the consumer market.
              There are very few musicians out there making music for them selves and I'd like to think I was one of them

              Wee bit of a rant there

              Apologies :P

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Soulmanure View Post
                To the title question, the content of the essay, my ruminations, or all of it?

                I have very strong feelings about this TBH, and I agree with the entirety of your sentiment. i hope to have more time to elaborate...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by larrysputnik View Post
                  I have very strong feelings about this TBH, and I agree with the entirety of your sentiment. i hope to have more time to elaborate...
                  Looking forward to it!

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                  • #10
                    I don't think music has lost anything. I reckon that if you think it has, your looking in the wrong places. Listening to the majority of commercial radio stations will not satisfy your need for new music, there's not enough money in it for the man. He will stick to the tried and tested method of shovelling out what's familier to the listener. I like to get inspiration from The Wire magazine http://www.thewire.co.uk/ nice!

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                    • #11
                      @MarkSDMF: I have to respectfully disagree with you several points here.

                      My generation and perhaps the generation before me doesn't really give two flying... ehm, pig shits about talent ! IMHO of course. If they did, truly care about the talent that goes into making 'music', as we know it now a-days we wouldn't have some many genres of drivel out there.
                      There have been “genres of drivel” ever since the invention of vinyl and the album was first conceived. It’s just that generally they don’t stand the test of time and so we never really hear them now. There were (and still are) plenty of people that think that the Bay City Rollers are the pinnacle of musical achievement, for example.

                      As I sit here typing this, I'm wearing a Zeppelin T-shirt and contemplating listening to some Doors or maybe Canned Heat. Maybe even some Lightening Hopkins or Howling wolf. But my pal across the road is listening to Tiesto whilst getting ready to go a 'cruise' in his ''wicked punto''.
                      It’s easy to knock dance music just because it’s not to your taste or just because Punto-weilding idiots listen to it, but there’s something to be said for Dance. It’s not to my taste either, but I can recognise that Dance captures, nay, elevates, a mood (generally euphoria), and in that capacity it’s elegant. The likes of Tiesto have a knack for capturing this instinctively and that’s quite a feat. In my younger and more vulnerable years I went on a Lads’ Holiday to Magaluf. I was bored shitless in the nightclubs, but I had to admit that the atmosphere, when pulled off properly, can be electrifying.
                      There is no right or wrong answer to ''Has music lost something ?'' but in my opinion it has lost everything, morality, talent and now its all about money and the consumer market.
                      Sure, the X-factor effect – exploiting talented young people for financial gain. But I would contest that this has been the case since before the Beatles. Underneath this there is an abundance of talent. Listen to Neutral Milk Hotel, Jason Molina, Bon Iver, Josh Ritter, Animal Collective, Bonnie “Prince” Billy, etc., etc. and tell me talent is dead. (NB: these bands would probably appeal more to Dylan fans than Led Zep fans )

                      There are very few musicians out there making music for them selves and I'd like to think I was one of them
                      Ooh, a musician! Any links/mp3s for us to wrap our ears around?
                      I'm still waiting for the whiskey to whisk me away
                      And I'm still waiting for the ashtray to lead me astray
                      Josh Ritter, "Other Side"

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                      • #12
                        The problem is, that among us "older" folks, we have become our parents! I can well remember my parents moaning about the Stones and Pink Floyd etc., adn as for Blue Cheer, well, you can guess!

                        Having said that, where are the bands that offend the parents? Bands like Arthur Brown, New York Dolls, Cream, the Pistols and Deep Purple just don't exist any more. Music is slickly packaged nowadays so as not to offend anyone. Can you imagine someone like Alexandra Burke making waves by singing a Cohen song if this was the 60s or 70s?

                        If music has lost it's way, it has so because of people like Louis Walsh and Simon Cowell and the fact that today's kids think that this is somehow the best available.

                        I could be wrong, but I think today's offerings are disposable music for the disposable generation.
                        No man has the right to fix the boundary of a nation.
                        No man has the right to say to his country, "Thus far shalt thou go and no further."

                        CS Parnell



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                        • #13
                          Most people hit 30 and stop looking for anything new. It's the "I know what I like and like what I know" mentality. I could suffer from that easily... I haven't worn any thing but 3/4 teeshirts, jeans and converse for years! However part of my job requires me to search out alot of new stuff, and the young guys I work with are as enthuthiastic and focussed on new music as I was as a kid. There is some amazing new music out there in every genre... you've just got to find it in a different way now.

                          If you assume that the charts and X factor are the new music then I understand that it may not appeal to you. If you were bought up on Zeppelin it may be worth checking out Them Crooked Vultures or The Raconteurs. If you were brought up on Queen have a look at Muse, if you love your blues The Dead Weather or Seasick Steve are worth a look. However there is some great pop music out there too. From Dizzee Rascal, Brandon Flowers and Katy Perry....

                          As soon as you start down the line of "Modern Music is rubbish" you have become your parents when they heard The Sex Pistols and their parents when they heard Elvis.....and no doubt half of Europe at the end of the 1700s when they heard Mozart.

                          I reckon the following recent Albums are great...

                          Muse- The Resistance
                          The Raconteurs- Consoler of the Lonely
                          Elbow- Seldom Seen Kid
                          The Tings Tings- We Started Nothing

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                          • #14
                            I think the whole saving up to buy that special recording that you've been wanting for ages thrill has gone but seeing a live event is better than ever. The last live show I attended, Harry Connick Jnr, was held in an open parkland setting and was extremely professional yet had an intimate atmosphere. There is a lot of work put in to make that happen. Even though the numbers were in the multiple thousands, I did not see one person that did not enjoy the whole experience.

                            Edit: Celsis, I have to agree with your statements about the whole packaged industry. It's like music in a cereal box, with the same marketing.
                            What would I know? I'm just a backwoods roo packin crim from New Holland! LOL. (Thankyou El Cat)

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                            • #15
                              I saw the Fun Lovin' Criminals last night, Fu**in amazing gig! I wouldn't buy any of their albums though

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