Anyone Tried these Dominicans?

[cigarsam]

And that's why we call him Se?or Rocketman.

Nice post!

El P


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[TJCoro]

And that's why we call him Se?or Rocketman.

Nice post!

El P


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[rokkitsci]

The role of the wrapper is to keep the cigar in one piece. It only needs to be robust. The blend of the filler leaves determine flavour. The wrapper only has about 5-10% of the flavour of a cigar.

That may be true of CCs, Ethem; however here's an opinion that may interest you.


A Wrapper's Contribution to Cigar Flavor

By David "Doc" Diaz, publisher of Stogie Fresh (http://www.stogiefresh.info) and the editor of the Stogie Fresh Cigar Journal)

There is a question that is often asked of me and I have often asked this same question of cigar manufacturers‚ "How much does the wrapper contribute to the overall flavor of a finished cigar?" The answers have varied from manufacturer to manufacturer, but it is generally accepted that the smaller the ring gauge on a cigar, the more the wrapper will contribute to the flavor. But why is this the case and what other factors contribute to how the wrapper will affect the overall flavor in a cigar?

Some time ago, I had the opportunity to sit with Hendrik Kelner Jr., part of the management team at Davidoff, who has studied this question at length. When I asked Hendrik how much the wrapper contributes to the flavor in a cigar, his answer was, "It depends." He said that, on the average, the answer would probably be around 40%, with some cigars being affected more or less than that average depending on various contributing factors. The factors that have the most influence on how much a wrapper leaf will contribute to the overall flavor of a cigar include, cigar length and ring gauge, composition of the filler blend, and wrapper leaf placement.

When I visited The Dominican Republic in early 2008, one of my first stops was the Davidoff factory in Santiago where I spent the day with Hendrik Kelner Jr. Hendrik gave me a tour of the factory and then we came back to his office, which he shares with Eladio Diaz, and we began chatting about different topics while smoking our cigars. As we talked about how wrappers influence the overall flavor in a cigar, Hendrik was struck with an idea for how we could demonstrate how different wrappers would contribute in differing amounts to the overall flavor in a cigar.

First, Hendrik pulled three of the same type of cigars out of the humidor in the office. The cigars that were chosen were cigars with a fairly mild blend and were identical, in ring gauge, length, filler, binder and wrapper. He then called down to the factory floor and asked one of the supervisors to bring up a few wrapper leaves of different types.

Eladio took the wrapper leaves off of two of the three cigars and replaced them with two different ones. I became the lucky research assistant who got to smoke the results. The first cigar, had the original wrapper, which was a Connecticut Shade grown in Ecuador. This cigar exhibited grassiness and a light spice. The second wrapper, which was a hybrid of Cuban seed and Connecticut seed also grown in Ecuador, displayed rich tobacco sweetness and had medium spice. The third cigar wrapper was a Cuban seed grown in the DR. This cigar was very full in spice and had woody flavors and aromas. All three were very different, even though the filler and binder were identical. I never expected that the differences would be so dramatic, but it was clear that, when the filler blend is fairly light, the flavor of the wrapper leaf will be able to assert itself more easily. I was thoroughly impressed with the experiment and the results. But, as it turned out, we weren't done yet.

Hendrik called back down and ordered up two more cigars and two more wrappers. These were identical cigars again, but this time they had the same wrapper leaf‚ yet with a twist. The two wrapper leaves, though from the same tobacco type, were taken from different parts of the plant. One was taken from a higher part of the plant (5th priming), and the other a lower part of the plant (2nd or 3rd priming). Again the differences in flavor were substantial. The cigar with the wrapper from the lower priming was light, grassy and had some light spice, while the cigar with the wrapper from the higher priming was full-flavored with rich tobacco sweetness and full in body. Once again, there was a big difference, attributable only to the difference in wrapper leaf. This experiment was the actual proof that the wrapper leaf can contribute hugely to the flavor of a cigar.

[TJCoro]

Breaker-Breaker!

However, I've tried the La Aurora Preferidos range - very good cigars. Generally lots of good, well blended, flavour, and A1 construction.

That's a big 10-4 on the Preferidos, senor Big Daddy!

...or in Forum Speak --- +1


Jay, Ray Jay

[Simon-JG-hr]

I shan't pitch into the wrapper debate...

However, I've tried the La Aurora Preferidos range - very good cigars. Generally lots of good, well blended, flavour, and A1 construction.

[butternutsquashpie]

I don't see how we're getting this to relate to the flavour. The oils in the wrapper lend very little flavour to the cigar regardless of how oily it is.

ah, see.. I did not know that. It was my assumption that oilier tobac would have smoother and possibly sweeter tastes to them.
And the wrappers in context to fillers, it was just a general rule I've noticed. Fully aware there are all sorts of different cigar filler and wrapper differences. (like the filthy hooligan. Can you imagine an ENTIRE green cigar?!)

[TJCoro]

Skinny Smoking!

Sorry poor use of language. The binder keeps the inner leaves together and the wrapper wraps it up. Both hold structural roles. Think about lighting a cigar with a tear in the wrapper. It starts to loosen up as soon as the flame reaches the tear and you'll notice the cigar partly unravel at that point.

Your use of the language is fine, muchacho; it's your description of the wrapper's role that I slightly differ with.

In my experience, when a cigar starts to unravel, it's the wrapper that's unraveling, not the binder. And on rare occasions when this was excessive, I actually removed the entire wrapper from the binder. Aside from the rather ruff appearance, only the draw was effected by the missing wrapper. The stick held together just fine.

But that's just me.

Perro, el Perro


Haha! I remember that day...the wrapper-less puro was almost as ugly as you, ya' stupid looking dawg smiley.


Hey el P! I'm not sure we're the best source to comment on the Engliz language.


Half eediat, mon

[Ethem]

It was my belief that air normally enters from the wrappers. Therefore, it should go through and collect the oils (or lack of) in order to affect the burn.
Also, it seems to me that as an indirect rule, most colorado cigars would have colorado or maduro colorado fillers anyways. And similar if they were different colours......

I don't see how we're getting this to relate to the flavour. The oils in the wrapper lend very little flavour to the cigar regardless of how oily it is.

And regarding most Colorado cigars having Colorado or Maduro Colorado fillers, that's down to the master blender. And also has very little to do with what we were discussing. Although the filler, binder and wrapper used may all be the same shade, they are all still from different parts of the plant (ligero, secco, volaro)

[Ethem]

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Hmmm, I thought it was the BINDER that held the stick together; the wrapper provides the "finished" look and a wee bit to the overall flavor profile.

But what the frig do I know, damn it!

Sorry poor use of language. The binder keeps the inner leaves together and the wrapper wraps it up. Both hold structural roles. Think about lighting a cigar with a tear in the wrapper. It starts to loosen up as soon as the flame reaches the tear and you'll notice the cigar partly unravel at that point.

[TJCoro]

She Said....I know what it's like to be dead!

...Also, it seems to me that as an indirect rule, most colorado cigars would have colorado or maduro colorado fillers anyways. And similar if they were different colours......

I couldn't have said if better meself.



Boy, Bag Boy


Haha! Same here, BB, if I had any idea what he said.

[TJCoro]

Beauty's only skin deep!

The role of the wrapper is to keep the cigar in one piece. It only needs to be robust. The blend of the filler leaves determine flavour. The wrapper only has about 5-10% of the flavour of a cigar.

Hmmm, I thought it was the BINDER that held the stick together; the wrapper provides the "finished" look and a wee bit to the overall flavor profile.

But what the frig do I know, damn it!


Perro, el Perro,


Haha! Using some pretty strong language there, dawg face.

[butternutsquashpie]

The wrapper only has about 5-10% of the flavour of a cigar.

It was my belief that air normally enters from the wrappers. Therefore, it should go through and collect the oils (or lack of) in order to affect the burn.
Also, it seems to me that as an indirect rule, most colorado cigars would have colorado or maduro colorado fillers anyways. And similar if they were different colours......

flavo(u)r.

Outstanding for a Yank! Some respect for you there

[Ethem]

The role of the wrapper is to keep the cigar in one piece. It only needs to be robust. The blend of the filler leaves determine flavour. The wrapper only has about 5-10% of the flavour of a cigar.

[rokkitsci]

The wrappers always have very little taste so the colour of the wrapper leaves has little to do with taste.

Interesting statement. Popular opinion has it that the wrapper can account for as much as 50% of the flavo(u)r of a cigar.

[Ethem]

The wrappers always have very little taste so the colour of the wrapper leaves has little to do with taste.

I like Dominican cigars. I'm a big fan of DonDiego Anniversario No.3 Robusto's. I try as many as I can get my hands on when abroad as there isn't a huge choice here but haven't had too many bad experiences apart from the Playboy cigars which IMHO were awful