Lack of Cuban Maduro Cigars

[tippexx]

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware the only true Cuban maduro are the Cohiba Maduro 5 Series. All the other dark wrappers are, irrespective of how deep the shade, Colorado and on RE and LE sometimes referred to as Maduro Colorado .... but that's marketing nonsense, they're Colorado.

[PeeJay]

Funny you should say that as I treated myself to a Romeo y Julieta Escudos Maduro Cigar (LE) - 2007 and was surprised to find how light in colour the wrapper is.

[ValeTudoGuy]

Is Maduro Colorado not a legitimate and defined colour in and of itself?

[tippexx]

I think it's a bit like calling something blue black, everyone understands what it means, but it's still in the blue range and can never be a black.

[rascal]

Maduro is a reference to the treatment of the leaf and type of leaf not the colour as say so if you have a dark cuban it is not a maduro cuban they are completely different things.

[ValeTudoGuy]

http://www.tobacconistuniversity.org/tobacco-college/apm-curing6a.asp

this link suggests that Maduro can be a reference to both colour and treatment.... Perhaps the fact that it is very non specific in its description is the real reason that CC's don't tends to use the moniker Maduro?

[butternutsquashpie]

Maduro is a reference to the treatment of the leaf and type of leaf not the colour as say so if you have a dark cuban it is not a maduro cuban they are completely different things.

hi rascal! great to finally see your username on the poster's section i'm an observable gent, i am!

it is indeed how the leaf is treated. but i was under the assumption (readings and tastings) that darker cigars do taste like their maduro counterparts. you might be able to treat a cigar like a claro but if it turns out the colour as maduro, i'm pretty sure it'll taste like a maduros still!!

[rascal]

hi rascal! great to finally see your username on the poster's section i'm an observable gent, i am!

it is indeed how the leaf is treated. but i was under the assumption (readings and tastings) that darker cigars do taste like their maduro counterparts. you might be able to treat a cigar like a claro but if it turns out the colour as maduro, i'm pretty sure it'll taste like a maduros still!!

Maduro cigars have a thicker leaf and and genearlly a lot sweeter. I have smoke a lot of cubans with dark and light colour for the same cigar and the dark ones did not taste like a NC maduro

[butternutsquashpie]

Maduro cigars have a thicker leaf and and genearlly a lot sweeter. I have smoke a lot of cubans with dark and light colour for the same cigar and the dark ones did not taste like a NC maduro

aye, i concur with the sweeter one. but maduro on a cuban front seems that it is milder and sweeter.

the issue here (of many) of comparing cubans to noncubans is the fact that noncubans have maduro and natural counterparts (eg hemmingway short story). which you can recognise it's the same blend but different mild tones/ sweet tones. but in cuban stocks, you don't have that kind of distinct counterparts between maduro and natural. a cohiba maduro 5 secretos may be near the size of a siglo i, but they are leagues apart in terms of flavour and different hints. this is further complicated with an aged maduro 5 and an aged siglo. they get milder or sweeter even more with age and cannot be compared like the AF Hemmingways can be in their own respects.

[rascal]

aye, i concur with the sweeter one. but maduro on a cuban front seems that it is milder and sweeter.

the issue here (of many) of comparing cubans to noncubans is the fact that noncubans have maduro and natural counterparts (eg hemmingway short story). which you can recognise it's the same blend but different mild tones/ sweet tones. but in cuban stocks, you don't have that kind of distinct counterparts between maduro and natural. a cohiba maduro 5 secretos may be near the size of a siglo i, but they are leagues apart in terms of flavour and different hints. this is further complicated with an aged maduro 5 and an aged siglo. they get milder or sweeter even more with age and cannot be compared like the AF Hemmingways can be in their own respects.

But that is like saying a artuene fuente taste different from a cohiba red dot both made from totally different Dominican republic tobacco so why would they taste the same!!!!!
The secretos is not in the siglo line its like saying the behike does not taste like a siglo 6

[butternutsquashpie]

But that is like saying a artuene fuente taste different from a cohiba red dot both made from totally different Dominican republic tobacco so why would they taste the same!!!!!
The secretos is not in the siglo line its like saying the behike does not taste like a siglo 6

i misunderstand.. is that what i implied? sorry, my thoughts are scrambled right now lemme regroup:
i misread your post so my respond would've made no sense to you (or anyone at the moment)

you are indeed right that the dark maduro NCs don't taste anything like cuban maduros when treated well. however, when the cubans don't really name their cigars maduro or claro like the noncubans do (with maduro 5 being the only exception i see at the moment), it's hard to have a baseline of what "maduro" is to them. so the only feasible thing is to determine them by colour, like we're doing here.
i posted earlier a picture of various side by side comparisons of regular-LEs. and flavourwise, i would agree the LEs are milder/sweeter/maduro than the counterparts of the regular marcas (with the exception of the Hoyo LE11)

[rascal]

i misunderstand.. is that what i implied? sorry, my thoughts are scrambled right now lemme regroup:
i misread your post so my respond would've made no sense to you (or anyone at the moment)

you are indeed right that the dark maduro NCs don't taste anything like cuban maduros when treated well. however, when the cubans don't really name their cigars maduro or claro like the noncubans do (with maduro 5 being the only exception i see at the moment), it's hard to have a baseline of what "maduro" is to them. so the only feasible thing is to determine them by colour, like we're doing here.
i posted earlier a picture of various side by side comparisons of regular-LEs. and flavourwise, i would agree the LEs are milder/sweeter/maduro than the counterparts of the regular marcas (with the exception of the Hoyo LE11)

no I have boxes of party shorts for instance some you would class as maduro some you would not my point is none are, like take your cohiba maduro 5 for instance I can get siglo I that have the same colour but taste nowhere near the same!!!!!!!

[butternutsquashpie]

like take your cohiba maduro 5 for instance I can get siglo I that have the same colour but taste nowhere near the same!!!!!!!

aaaah, there lays the rub. i got what you mean now. it goes back to your original point of how and for how long the leaf is treated which gives the distinct colour, and therefore, taste
you are right about sticks in individual boxes having individual colours as no leaf is ever the same. there are also the case in which some marcas had darker leaves in 2009-2011 than the normal. like Montecristo 2s where you can lay a 2010 beside a 2013 and see a visible change but flavour cannot be predicted due to THAT kind of colour change. however, of course it still means what the original blend was meant to consist of. little oddities like that can be classed as sideliners in the overal stats..

at the risk of causing more confusion, i'll have to state two different vitolas in an example again. an RA Extra LE11 looks more maduro than say, an RA Gigantes. and in turn, they have nowhere near the same tastes, but i can easily say that the LE11 tastes more "maduro" than the gigantes. of course, as you mentioned, a darker coloured gigantes might taste the same as a regular gigantes.
but this time, the RA Extra was never mentioned by cuba to be maduro, despite the obvious colour differences.

Hope we are in accord after this hefty statement!

[rascal]

aaaah, there lays the rub. i got what you mean now. it goes back to your original point of how and for how long the leaf is treated which gives the distinct colour, and therefore, taste
you are right about sticks in individual boxes having individual colours as no leaf is ever the same. there are also the case in which some marcas had darker leaves in 2009-2011 than the normal. like Montecristo 2s where you can lay a 2010 beside a 2013 and see a visible change but flavour cannot be predicted due to THAT kind of colour change. however, of course it still means what the original blend was meant to consist of. little oddities like that can be classed as sideliners in the overal stats..

at the risk of causing more confusion, i'll have to state two different vitolas in an example again. an RA Extra LE11 looks more maduro than say, an RA Gigantes. and in turn, they have nowhere near the same tastes, but i can easily say that the LE11 tastes more "maduro" than the gigantes. of course, as you mentioned, a darker coloured gigantes might taste the same as a regular gigantes.
but this time, the RA Extra was never mentioned by cuba to be maduro, despite the obvious colour differences.

Hope we are in accord after this hefty statement!

As I said the colour does not mean maduro. there takes more than that to make a maduro. I can sort you out a assortment to prove the point which would be easier than explaining

[butternutsquashpie]

As I said the colour does not mean maduro. there takes more than that to make a maduro.

i assumed they went hand in hand....
but of course, as you mentioned before, the partagas short that is maduro wouldn't neccessarily be called "maduro.'

methinks these kind of pedantries aren't encountered when all i smoke are cubans. i mean, if i didn't know about NCs, i'd had figured maduro was just unique to the cohiba line! nothing else (of my knowledge) is called "maduro" in all of the wide habanos marcas