Cohiba Talisman

[SHAMZ84]

I guess, if they can sell at that price it kind of sickening the huge profits UK cigar retailers are making. Interestingly enough Sautters in London was featured on a program last night about the super rich, needless to say they will pay anything it actually does not matter what they cost and thats the market the UK cigar scene is following.

Its not all super bad though, most people are so caught up on these releases the regular production cigars are still selling for reasonable prices, UK market excepted of course.

I always thought our taxes and duty were the main reason for the high prices...this very similar pricing you'll get in Germany...it just shows that that some of our B&M's profit margins are ridiculous.

[ha_banos]

Like I said if the demand is there... Hopefully some competition is at play however and were not caught in a cartel!

Well, we have some options.

[thedame007]

Well, we have some options.

Revolution?!?!

**Burns his bra**

[gojira]

Revolution?!?!
**Burns his bra**

If I continue eating like I do I will be needing the ones you didn't burn.

[ha_banos]

Revolution?!?!
**Burns his bra**

Revoluci?n! ** Burns his cigar **

[moteyi]

I'm wondering whether to get a box as an investment, plus a couple of singles. I doubt that they would go down in value.

[SHAMZ84]

I was thinking the same...but don't have that spare at the Moe

[gojira]

But will they bring a great return? Look at the Robusto Supremo, boxes can be found for $500. Retail in Germany was €350 when they were released. So you make a little over $100 on a box (if it sells) in three years. One has to have at least 10 boxes and be able to move them to make this interesting. And things have changed, there are now hundreds of guys buying cigars as an investment. How many buyers with deep pockets are out there?

The same has happened to vintage comic books and original art (but one can still make a very nice profit purchasing the right books or art) or vintage video games. To many people with good knowledge are out there ready to buy stuff at very high prices nowadays, but will they be able to move what they buy at sufficient profit to make it worth there while?

IMO the most money to be made in collectables (yes I think that cigars are collectables for a lot of people) is still in the vintage comic book market. I have had x15 and even x20 investment returns on some books and have sold hundreds that doubled or tripled my investment.

I think that cigars are a great hobby, I love to smoke and collect them but I'm not in this for the money. Just my two cents.

[ha_banos]

Yeah - but they may make for good swapsies!

"I'll give you one of mine for 5 of those!"

[Simon Bolivar]

But will they bring a great return? Look at the Robusto Supremo, boxes can be found for $500. Retail in Germany was ?350 when they were released. So you make a little over $100 on a box (if it sells) in three years. One has to have at least 10 boxes and be able to move them to make this interesting. And things have changed, there are now hundreds of guys buying cigars as an investment. How many buyers with deep pockets are out there?

The same has happened to vintage comic books and original art (but one can still make a very nice profit purchasing the right books or art) or vintage video games. To many people with good knowledge are out there ready to buy stuff at very high prices nowadays, but will they be able to move what they buy at sufficient profit to make it worth there while?

IMO the most money to be made in collectables (yes I think that cigars are collectables for a lot of people) is still in the vintage comic book market. I have had x15 and even x20 investment returns on some books and have sold hundreds that doubled or tripled my investment.

I think that cigars are a great hobby, I love to smoke and collect them but I'm not in this for the money. Just my two cents.

Good points. 6,000 boxes are quite a lot to be floating around the market. If you can buy at ?47, it's not hard to imagine these will sell for ?100 in 5yrs, possibly a lot less. That's a return of 20%pa & best than most other investments. For once having EMS sticker on the box, I think would be reassuring for buyers as there's bound to be loads of fakes floating about. Look at the 1966, so many fakes it really affected confidence in buying them.

Last point are there a 2-3,000 buyers willing to pay dble the issue price? Well maybe not but maybe 500 buyers who will buy several boxes each.

Just one tip for those buying a box for an investment (where of course, if the worst happens at least you can smoke them, when you shares ISA sinks, there's nothing to enjoy), take great care over keeping stable humidity of the yrs you're storing them. Most of us experience humidity rises & falls over the seasons & the more experienced of use don't worrying too much abut them. A few split feet on your fav cigars is annoying but doesn't really effect their smoke ability, just their asthetics. But split feet would seriously affect future vale on the re-sale market.

[Kickback]

Don't forget all investments can drop in value as well as increase. Property, stocks, Porsches, gold, whisky, cigars etc.

[cigarmo]

Don't forget all investments can drop in value as well as increase. Property, stocks, Porsches, gold, whisky, cigars etc.

Bitcoins

[Kickback]

Just wait ...

[grumpybaldy]

The same has happened to...vintage video games.

Really? People actually invest in vintage video games? Staggering. I suppose another sign of savers' initiative in the age of super-low interest rates...That said, I speak as a net spender not a net saver, especially since discovering cigars - for pleasure!

[grumpybaldy]

...take great care over keeping stable humidity of the yrs you're storing them.

So, to be sure of protecting your hoped-for future returns (particularly if several boxes), you'll likely need to add annual storage fees to the costs of the investment. I'll leave someone else to work-out the expected IRR (!) but I suspect it's going to be pretty modest all things considered unless 'all the stars align'! I'm with those who buy to enjoy.