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    Regardless of your opinion and how you voted in the biggest turnout in British electoral history its time to leave that all behind and look forwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post
    I don't quite understand the trade with the world argument. The EU has dozens of trade deals with the world, each of them more favorable than anything the UK will be able to negotiate alone. I never heard any complaints by British business that they aren't able to trade with a certain country because of EU membership. Am I missing something?

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    I’ve yet to see specific examples of the specific trade deals that people expect to be improved other than a lot of talk about the American one which always comes down to chlorinated chicken but realistically we should be asking why we’d possibly be shipping meat that far around the world in the first place! It’s the 21st century time to move on from practises like that where possible.

    It all comes down to priorities and what’s a good trade deal though, we’ll certainly get different trade deals than the EU whether better or worse depends on what we value and what we choose to keep or give away with the deal. Are the protectionist measures of the EU worth more than cheap goods? I believe definitely as I don’t want to see uk business further sold abroad but it doesn’t sound like the stance the government is planning on taking. Plus I guess the argument is we’re protecting other countries industries at times at the detriment of our own, or that’s the thought process anyway.

    But we’ll see what happens! To my industry I suspect most of the damage has already been done and most of this won’t change the day to day for a lot of people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeJay View Post
    Regardless of your opinion and how you voted in the biggest turnout in British electoral history its time to leave that all behind and look forwards.
    I have to be a pedant here: More people voted in the 1992 general election and it had a higher turnout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by potpest View Post
    I have to be a pedant here: More people voted in the 1992 general election and it had a higher turnout.
    Good point often overlooked especially by The Mail et al because it wouldn't be a tasty sound-bite to say the 2016 vote was the "second biggest in UK history" lol

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    The brexiteers lied to everyone (leavers included), suggesting impossible and paradoxical outcomes with no technical solution like Ireland having 2 customs unions with no hard border.

    I think they should be held accountable. However, all politicians lie about what they are going to deliver so what's new.

    Remainers lied to no one - merely citing that trade agreements are only a good thing and leaving the biggest single market on the planet is not likely going to be beneficial at all.

    Jacob Rees Mogg says the benefit of leaving will not be felt for 50 years. Digby Jones reckons 100. Leavers seem happy with this temporary hit to their back pocket musing that it'll be alright in the end! We'll that's uncharacteristically altirustic of them as they won't likely be alive to reap the rewards. Were they voting for their children? Their children voted remain. Sounds like bollocks to me - seems they're still happy to march to the beat of a drum that stopped beating a while back. Humans just aren't that altirustic - especially those voting for better outcomes for themselves (which of course is fine).

    Whether we'll be able to forge better agreements moving forwards is simply yet to be seen and I'm generally an optimistic person, but I don't think leaving was a good idea as there's no evidence to suggest so, and I only believe in evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by potpest View Post
    I have to be a pedant here: More people voted in the 1992 general election and it had a higher turnout.
    Its good to be pedantic and happy to be corrected
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffbot View Post
    The brexiteers lied to everyone (leavers included), suggesting impossible and paradoxical outcomes with no technical solution like Ireland having 2 customs unions with no hard border.

    I think they should be held accountable. However, all politicians lie about what they are going to deliver so what's new.

    Remainers lied to no one - merely citing that trade agreements are only a good thing and leaving the biggest single market on the planet is not likely going to be beneficial at all.

    Jacob Rees Mogg says the benefit of leaving will not be felt for 50 years. Digby Jones reckons 100. Leavers seem happy with this temporary hit to their back pocket musing that it'll be alright in the end! We'll that's uncharacteristically altirustic of them as they won't likely be alive to reap the rewards. Were they voting for their children? Their children voted remain. Sounds like bollocks to me - seems they're still happy to march to the beat of a drum that stopped beating a while back. Humans just aren't that altirustic - especially those voting for better outcomes for themselves (which of course is fine).

    Whether we'll be able to forge better agreements moving forwards is simply yet to be seen and I'm generally an optimistic person, but I don't think leaving was a good idea as there's no evidence to suggest so, and I only believe in evidence.
    Astutely and accurately observed!

    If the numbers guys are around the cost of Brexit makes CAD look entirely reasonable.... the promises to put £350m in the bank every week makes UK regionals seem reachable!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaresee View Post
    Astutely and accurately observed!

    If the numbers guys are around the cost of Brexit makes CAD look entirely reasonable.... the promises to put £350m in the bank every week makes UK regionals seem reachable!!
    Do we get uk regionals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryr View Post
    Why do people assume anyone who voted leave is xenophobic?

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    I dont think they do. BUT there is an overwhelming core of brexiteers who were willing to call out their motivations as being just that... and it sells newspapers, and whips up support at the lowest common denominator. A nasty circle. Sadly. In the same way that remainers were broadly painted as leftist. And left I am not! all shades... in all areas, but politics requires a polarisation of views... hence we've not had a centerist government in modern times where media is so very powerful. IMHO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffbot View Post
    Do we get uk regionals?
    oh yes... the legendary Flor de Cano of about 7/8 years ago... ERDM La reina of 2018 etc...
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