Smoking and Diabetes

[ianc]

I have just been diagnosed with Diabetes & was wondering if any cigar smokers here are in the same boat?

[jerryr]

I have just been diagnosed with Diabetes & was wondering if any cigar smokers here are in the same boat?

I?ve had Diabetes for at least 15 years, it?s well managed and controlled. As far as I?m aware there is no sugar or stodgy carbs in a good cigar; and the odd Single Malt or glass of wine with a good meal is something I?m not prepared to totally cut out.

My basic philosophy is everything in moderation, live would be very boring if you follow everything your supposed to do. For me that would be like sitting in the waiting room waiting to die


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[geoffbot]

Sorry to hear that. Without wanting to make light of things and I do know that diabetes and overweightness aren't always linked I reckon go nuts on the stogies - they may curb food cravings?

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[ianc]

"I?ve had Diabetes for at least 15 years, it?s well managed and controlled. As far as I?m aware there is no sugar or stodgy carbs in a good cigar; and the odd Single Malt or glass of wine with a good meal is something I?m not prepared to totally cut out.

My basic philosophy is everything in moderation, live would be very boring if you follow everything your supposed to do. For me that would be like sitting in the waiting room waiting to die"


I am of the same thought process as you, but I suppose I am a bit wary after just finding out and getting use to the idea. Thanks

[grumpybaldy]

Yes. I'm currently researching the theory that it can be reversed by red wine and Cuban cigars.

[geoffbot]

Yes. I'm currently researching the theory that it can be reversed by red wine and Cuban cigars.

Ha! Good man.

[jerryr]

Yes. I'm currently researching the theory that it can be reversed by red wine and Cuban cigars.

So am I, but my research is a bit broader. I?m examining the positive effects red wine, single malt and rum paired with a good cigar, preferably Cuban or quality Non Cubans can be acceptable, have on diabetes.


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[ha_banos]

Yes. I'm currently researching the theory that it can be reversed by red wine and Cuban cigars.

Only as part of a calorie controlled diet I presume!

[grumpybaldy]

Only as part of a calorie controlled diet I presume!

Naturally. Chocolate is included.

[grumpybaldy]

So am I, but my research is a bit broader. I’m examining the positive effects red wine, single malt and rum paired with a good cigar, preferably Cuban or quality Non Cubans can be acceptable, have on diabetes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Proper research.

[ha_banos]

Naturally. Chocolate is included.

Dark chocolate of course...

[Simon Bolivar]

Hi Ian, I agree with your basic 'moderation is the key to a enjoyable & healthy life' motto, which I think most of us on here practice, most of the time. As Oscar Wilde quipped that he believed in 'moderation in all things & moderation in moderation!' But diabetes is a very serious disease, which can affect every system & organ in the body.

Often damage occurs before diagnosis so getting the diagnosis is the first step in acknowledging you have this condition & that it has to be managed within strict guidelines to prevent further deteriation over time.

Now I am pretty sure 100% of GP's would advise every diabetic stops smoking immediately. They of course are just thinking & using stats for cig smokers of 20 a day+. The main problem with smoking & diabetes is that smoking restrict blood flow to the extremities, which increases damage already done to the peripheral circulation & nerves.

So my practical advise to you & fellow sufferers:
1/ Research the disease as much as possible so you can make informed decisions about if & how much you feel comfortable about smoking & drinking.

2/ Test yourself daily to start with until stable & then frequently afterwards. It's easier than you think to slide off, without really noticing, especially until you get used to noticing the early signs.

3/ Take great care of your feet & care when cutting toenails. If you have problems with this, you can see a Chiropodist free of charge under the NHS.

4/ Get to know your Diabetic nurse, might be based at your Medical Centre & follow their advice on diet, weight & exercise. If & when you have these 3 corners stones sorted, the 4th being any medication you were prescribed, which may have to be adjusted as you go along, then a couple of drinks, with a couple of cigars a week would sound a moderate amount for that happy life.

5/ You have to weigh the risk v pleasure & find what you feel comfortable with & then commit to 'no regrets' if some complication does occur I. e. it would probably occurred if you hadn't had a couple a cigars a week anyway.

6/ Final tip for all, you have all heard of the signs & symptoms of a heart attack? Well the crushing central chest pain, with finally convinces mst to dial 999, doesn't always occur in diabetics. This is due to nerve damage caused by the diabetes. And diabetic's are at greater risk of heart attacks. So if you feel unwell, have palpations (that's being aware of your own heart beat, which may be rapid & /or irregular), sweating - often perfuse, nausea, vomiting, suspect heart attack & call 999, tell them your s&s & that your a diabetic & they will blue light to you. Better a false alarm than the alternative. I would also take a 300mg Aspirin, under the tongue, it will be working whilst help is on the way.

Anyway, sorry if I have sounded over dramatic but I have dealt with many patients with serious complications of diabetes, the vast majority of whom were cig smokers, but cigar smoking does have similar negative effects on circulation & just because we might only consume 5% per week than they do, doesn't mean we are not at risk too.

Anyway back to my Cruise, going fine, just off for a Hoyo Gourmet. If anyone wants to discuss further, please feel free to pm me.

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[ianc]

Hi Ian, I agree with your basic 'moderation is the key to a enjoyable & healthy life' motto, which I think most of us on here practice, most of the time. As Oscar Wilde quipped that he believed in 'moderation in all things & moderation in moderation!' But diabetes is a very serious disease, which can affect every system & organ in the body.

Often damage occurs before diagnosis so getting the diagnosis is the first step in acknowledging you have this condition & that it has to be managed within strict guidelines to prevent further deteriation over time.

Now I am pretty sure 100% of GP's would advise every diabetic stops smoking immediately. They of course are just thinking & using stats for cig smokers of 20 a day+. The main problem with smoking & diabetes is that smoking restrict blood flow to the extremities, which increases damage already done to the peripheral circulation & nerves.

So my practical advise to you & fellow sufferers:
1/ Research the disease as much as possible so you can make informed decisions about if & how much you feel comfortable about smoking & drinking.

2/ Test yourself daily to start with until stable & then frequently afterwards. It's easier than you think to slide off, without really noticing, especially until you get used to noticing the early signs.

3/ Take great care of your feet & care when cutting toenails. If you have problems with this, you can see a Chiropodist free of charge under the NHS.

4/ Get to know your Diabetic nurse, might be based at your Medical Centre & follow their advice on diet, weight & exercise. If & when you have these 3 corners stones sorted, the 4th being any medication you were prescribed, which may have to be adjusted as you go along, then a couple of drinks, with a couple of cigars a week would sound a moderate amount for that happy life.

5/ You have to weigh the risk v pleasure & find what you feel comfortable with & then commit to 'no regrets' if some complication does occur I. e. it would probably occurred if you hadn't had a couple a cigars a week anyway.

6/ Final tip for all, you have all heard of the signs & symptoms of a heart attack? Well the crushing central chest pain, with finally convinces mst to dial 999, doesn't always occur in diabetics. This is due to nerve damage caused by the diabetes. And diabetic's are at greater risk of heart attacks. So if you feel unwell, have palpations (that's being aware of your own heart beat, which may be rapid & /or irregular), sweating - often perfuse, nausea, vomiting, suspect heart attack & call 999, tell them your s&s & that your a diabetic & they will blue light to you. Better a false alarm than the alternative. I would also take a 300mg Aspirin, under the tongue, it will be working whilst help is on the way.

Anyway, sorry if I have sounded over dramatic but I have dealt with many patients with serious complications of diabetes, the vast majority of whom were cig smokers, but cigar smoking does have similar negative effects on circulation & just because we might only consume 5% per week than they do, doesn't mean we are not at risk too.

Anyway back to my Cruise, going fine, just off for a Hoyo Gourmet. If anyone wants to discuss further, please feel free to pm me.

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Thank for the advice Simon