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Thread: 1999 — 2002. The sad, bad years?

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    Well said Rocco. I agree between 1999-2002 the bland flavour's and poor production wiil haunt Habano for years to come.The flavours of the sixties/seventies thankfully are around again. But I wonder what will happen when 'Uncle Sam" places big orders -Stock up now gentlemen

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    Late to post but I just saw this and will throw my tuppence in.
    There is no 'aged for 4 years' rule with habanos, particularly from the bleak years. Tobacco is cured before rolling, but they aren't aging cigars for us and the length of time it is cured will vary by marca and cigar, and even by years' productions.

    The bleak years are '99 and '00, not all the way to'02. I've never encountered those problems in many, many boxes of '01 and '02s, and I have a few from 2000 that didn't have issues but I wouldn't touch that year now as I think any left are going to be the dregs. The problem was due to increasing supply to meet the cigar boom demand resulting in using inferior tobacco and inexperienced rollers. This is why I bang on about fearing the lifting of the US embargo; when that huge market is opened up the quality will drop like a hot rock to meet that insatiable demand.

    Sadly 2002 was the year the discontinuations started in earnest. HSA got a taste for capitalism and found bigger profits in short-term gimmicks and limited editions than in keeping classics.

    There is no agreed upon definition of vintage. I tend to stock up as I smoke and most of what I like to smoke is 5-7 years old. I consider that, more or less, most cigars prime. Many do well with more age and I've got a few boxes from 98 that I'm continuing to let rest because they keep getting better but I still would hesitate to call that vintage. In my personal definition, I think vintage requires more than a decade of storing them yourself at what you think are ideal conditions. I don't think vendors store cigars in optimal conditions for aging, they are much cooler and much more humid because they are holding them to sell, not to age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Yanqui View Post
    This is why I bang on about fearing the lifting of the US embargo; when that huge market is opened up the quality will drop like a hot rock to meet that insatiable demand.
    Maybe, but I have a suspicion that most yanks that want Habanas are already getting them. And though demand might spike in the beginning out of curiosity, over time demand will likely settle back to it's current levels.

    Remember, the great land to the North has an abundance of fine non-Cubans to choose from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cbob View Post
    CA: Why don't you plant the old variety, the traditional Corojo?
    Robaina: I wish I could get my hands on those seeds!

    CA: The flavor was wonderful.
    Robaina: Yes, no doubt, and the traditional Criollo was the best filler tobacco around.

    Hiroshi: I wish we could use it.
    Robaina: Perhaps this year we could try.
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    Why would they not be able to get their hands on the traditional Corojo seeds any more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inst4nt View Post
    Why would they not be able to get their hands on the traditional Corojo seeds any more?

    I think they can, and do. But sun, soil, slope and rainfall all favour Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tippexx View Post
    I think they can, and do. But sun, soil, slope and rainfall all favour Cuba.
    Not to mention the traces of lithium in the soil that makes its way into the tobacco leaf. Ghelyon.gif


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    From mid 01-mid 2003 were IMHO the best cigars Cuba produced since 1996. I track down everything I can find from that period. They have aged tremendously

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgoospot View Post
    From mid 01-mid 2003 were IMHO the best cigars Cuba produced since 1996. I track down everything I can find from that period. They have aged tremendously
    That's interesting, senor Mcgoo. Many consider the period "00 to mid "02" to be a time when the quality of Cuban puros was quite bad, some say because Cuba was rusing its product to market to take advantage of the so-called "Cigar Boom."

    Don't know about that, but I do remember some poor quality puros during that period and the difference between puros and high-end NCs at that time was marginal, IMO.

    It sounds like you are saying that after a decade or more rest, these are becoming decent sticks, no?


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    Hey El P! I know don TJ has a few 2002 Bolivar Royal Coronas in his massive unit that are absolutely fabulous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgoospot View Post
    From mid 01-mid 2003 were IMHO the best cigars Cuba produced since 1996. I track down everything I can find from that period. They have aged tremendously
    And the award for resurrecting a very old thread goes to Mr Magoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevieboy View Post
    And the award for resurrecting a very old thread goes to Mr Magoo
    Haha! Senor Kaamart would love it, if here hadn't graduated to a higher level!


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