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  • #61
    Originally posted by tippexx View Post
    Sounds about typical of everywhere Ryan. Hector Luis Prieto, Production Department does not agree with Jose Antonio Candia, PR Department. (Ex).
    You're right that in many examples of information from different sides of Cuban cigar production, there can be lots of different answers and, at one point or another, all of them might be right! It's one of the things I like about Cuban cigars.
    Jose doesn't work for Habanos anymore, he left in early 2011. In his case, I've never known him to take a position on something about which he was not willing to change his mind.
    He simply had not heard the notion that stress would make for a better tobacco plant.
    While surprised to hear Hector say it, he accepted what he said as true right away. He had no reason not to and Hector had no reason to lie about it.
    Hector has worked on that farm all his life as have his family, all the way back to the 1890s.
    What Hector says make sense. What I had been trying to get out of him was what makes Cuban tobacco different to tobacco from other countries.
    Experience and seeds can and have been exported, climate can be very closely approximated, that leaves soil.
    Habanos, being Habanos, will of course say that the soil their cigars comes from is some of the best in the world. And, in a way, they're right. It's a lot less clumsy to say "the best soil" than "precisely the right kind of 'bad' soil".
    Soil can be improved and conditioned. But it's hard to make soil "bad", or at least just the right type of "bad", if that makes sense.
    Pinar del Rio has very sandy soil, not volcanic, and that goes down for metres, allowing for very good drainage, so it's easy to induce water stress in the plants by starving them of water for just the right amount of time.
    Look at the plants in the second video. They are mature plants, the harvest had already started on the second (Libre de Pie) leaves but the plants are barely more than 3-4 feet tall.
    Look at a mature Dominican tobacco field, the plants are over 6 feet tall, using the same seed variety.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
      However you take it chico, most will agree it's wasted on the young.

      Perro, el Perro


      I'm seeing some promising young talent around these parts lately Perhaps an internship is in order
      Ah come now! I thought Elpie was the moderate one!

      But for the sake of thought, how old do you really THINK I am?

      Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 using Tapatalk for Android.
      Originally posted by ValeTudoGuy
      Marc's a Fat Molly
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      • #63
        Very nice nuggets or info, Andy. Good reads all around . I've always known of the stress of plants to leave to automated nitrate production. But I've never placed 3 and 3 together to ever wonder if that happened in Cuba.
        It does explain their lack of nicotine, actually.

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        Originally posted by ValeTudoGuy
        Marc's a Fat Molly
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        • #64
          Recycle Plactic here, threads over there.

          Originally posted by tippexx View Post
          Personally, I think if the American market ever came on-stream, the standard production situation would get worse with a repeat of 1999/2002, but this time with a less reliable agricultural product, and with even more special releases 'blinged' especially for the US.
          First off - the award for "Best Recycling of a Thread" goes to our old (literally) pal, Se?or TrippleXXX!

          There has been a lot of good use of old threads lately... and I'm Lovin' It!

          Now, regarding the Americano Puro Market (APM), I think we may be about to repeat history - which is both good and bad (but never ugly).

          If memory serves me, back in the late nineties when the so-called cigar boom was in full swing, the quality of the Puro* went downhill because Cuba was rusing it's leaf to maket to "catch the wave," so to speak. At the same time, however, there were a lot of "boutique" NCs popping up and producing a lot of cigars ...some quite good, but most not so much. And the prices were ridiculous. But during the proceeding decades, the Cuban expats who left Cuba in the 50's and 60's and relocated their farms in other countries were refining their growing techniques to a point where they were producing some very nice sticks. So by the time the boom was coming to a close and the decline in the Cuban puro quality continued, the interest in NCs grew and many folks, like me, found there were some decent NC sticks available. So when compared to the declining puro, many of the NC brands/sticks could hold their own quite nicely against the finest puros produced at the time.

          Fortunatly (unless you produce NCs), Cuba began focusing on quality over quanity during 2002 and eventually regained its status (preceived or real) as the the King of Cigars.


          There are several theories as to what the effect will be on the Puro industy if the americano market ever lifts the embargo. The one I tend to lean towards suggests that the folks who will ultimately buy puros in an open market are already getting them, so no real increase in demand will take place. Of course, there will be an initial spike in sales to the USA as the
          "Courious Georges" will want to try these puros that have gown to Mythical Status in the 50+ years the USA has been puro dry. But when these unrealistic expectations are crushed and plummet to earth, possibly accelerated by the alleged decline in quality of the puro, these "Curious Georges" will vacate the market, because of the high puro price and the availability of reasonably priced NCs, and leave it to those yankees who are already there. USA! USA! USA!

          Well, that's what the teacher told us in History Class.


          Perro, el Perro

          *For thoses who haven't figured it out...or just don't care, the term "puro(s)" as used by the familia Coro refers to Cuban Cigars

          DISCLAIMER: Although the above are the ramblings of se?or el Perro, NONE of the information presented in the post is original and was obviously lifted from books, articles, posts, and tweets authored by other so-called aficionados. The Familia Coro disclaims any responsibility for the affect the above information may have on your views and/or shopping habits.
          Last edited by TJCoro; 15-05-2014, 12:12 AM.
          sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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          • #65
            Easy to be Hard!

            Originally posted by butternutsquashpie View Post
            Ah come now! I thought Elpie was the moderate one! But for the sake of thought, how old do you really THINK I am?

            Fifteen!


            Names Perro, el Perro, and you make it too easy, chico buterednutz


            Haha! You're on FIRE, dawg face....I LIKE IT!


            Hey el P! Take it easy on the lad. Remember what happened to Ray Gay when HE was 15?



            (Hurumph!) Indeed. Perhaps you're right juggler boy....perhaps you're right.
            sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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            • #66
              Plant Your Seed!

              Originally posted by butternutsquashpie View Post
              It does explain their lack of nicotine, actually.
              Really? So can you explain the presence of lithium?

              Ray Jay
              sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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              • #67
                Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
                First off - the award for "Best Recycling of a Thread" goes to our old (literally) pal, Se?or TrippleXXX!

                Innocent on this one me old China .... a lamentable third behind Buttso and Stevieboy if you look!
                If you want to, you can.
                And, if you can, you must!

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                • #68
                  In the Beginning....

                  Originally posted by butternutsquashpie View Post
                  No worries StevieBoy!
                  Just stick around here a bit longer and we'll get to explaining how to age cigars properly. If you want, i'll send you a little aged selection when your time nears. And maybe even elaborate on all the other possibilities and lessons you'll learn here...Note: you did bring up a good point now:
                  Originally posted by Stevieboy View Post
                  And the Resurrection Prize goes to JizzBot...

                  Five year old thread.... I can't even recall posting that lol
                  Originally posted by tippexx View Post
                  Innocent on this one me old China .... a lamentable third behind Buttso and Stevieboy if you look!
                  HeeHee! Right you are, ol' chum

                  My apologizes to Chico and the Boy.


                  Names Perro, el Perro, and boy is my face red!


                  Haha! F' chico and the boy!!! Mr. T was the man who got things going. Besides, it was a good excuse to revive one of me favorite emots, which I can't post here because I'm on this F'ing IPad Air!!!
                  sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
                    Fifteen!

                    Hey el P! Take it easy on the lad. Remember what happened to Ray Gay when HE was 15?



                    (Hurumph!) Indeed. Perhaps you're right juggler boy....perhaps you're right.
                    Oh booooy! This is gonna go on for a while...

                    Sent from my BlackBerry Q10 using Tapatalk for Android.
                    Originally posted by ValeTudoGuy
                    Marc's a Fat Molly
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by tippexx View Post
                      Exactly VTG, and unlike vines which don't move, tobacco has to be replanted every year. A strange fact (I don't know if it's true), the thing that makes Cuban tobacco different isn't the plant, the climate or the growing methods but the soil .... the soil is poor, which has the effect of stressing the plant into releasing the sugars and enzymes which traditionally gave Cuban tobacco it's unique taste. If that is correct, using chemicals to make the land more productive would have a reverse effect on the plant. More or bigger plants per acre, but not as good.
                      Very interesting!
                      Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

                      Originally posted by PeeJay
                      I get longing looks from guys walking past

                      Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
                      A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
                        Gentleman...Gentlement! Less talkin' and more tokin'.

                        There's only one way to find out if you like them and we all know what that is....well, all of us except for maybe young chico
                        butterednutz.

                        The one's I enjoyed a few years back were 2005/06 by Carlito (the other GoF is by Don Carlos). Now that they have some decent age on 'em, maybe it's time to give 'em another go.

                        Mayby not.



                        Perro, el Perro



                        Haha! Too late, dawg face.... Blu-balls and Bag Boy just finished off the last of 'em.
                        Mine is indeed a Carlito.... The only problem with having singles, is loving it and not being able to replace.
                        Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

                        Originally posted by PeeJay
                        I get longing looks from guys walking past

                        Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
                        A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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                        • #72
                          Waiting for Butters!

                          Originally posted by ValeTudoGuy View Post
                          Mine is indeed a Carlito.... The only problem with having singles, is loving it and not being able to replace.
                          Dude! I hear that! So save it for a "Special Occasion."*

                          And that "Special Occasion" is when you spark up that stick!

                          Jay, Ray Jay

                          *of course, there's another "special occasion" we all know about, but I won't go there.
                          sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
                            Really? So can you explain the presence of lithium?
                            Ray Jay
                            i remember discussing this in some class of mine... due to the high percentage of nickel mines in the area, the scientists were combing for soil concentrations of various metals and came across lithium in the soil. This is natural as Nickel and Lithium occurs side by side in nature as oxides.
                            now, lithium is used as an anti-depressant and has been found to cause little to no effect on plant matter.

                            in the end, it's irrelevant for our purposes. also, when grown into plants, it's so trace that it might as well just be iron... Besides! lithium salts can't possibly be drawn in as vapour!
                            Originally posted by ValeTudoGuy
                            Marc's a Fat Molly
                            Click here for a fun, relevant song!

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                            • #74
                              No Original Thoughts!

                              Originally posted by butternutsquashpie View Post
                              i remember discussing this in some class of mine... in the end, it's irrelevant for our purposes. also, when grown into plants, it's so trace that it might as well just be iron... Besides! lithium salts can't possibly be drawn in as vapour!
                              Don't tell that to RJ....he's been getting buzzed off don TJ's fine puros for some time.


                              Names Perro, el Perro, and would someone revoke chico's Google Account before he hurts himself?
                              sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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                              • #75
                                I've just read all of the age thread and Butters has never disclosed his age, just made some vague comment about 18-22 not being as good as it seems
                                'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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