Osmosis

[Wigan]

But a 1% difference in total sugars could account for a huge flavour difference, especially given that it could he one of a handful of different sugars depending on a couple things. Just think how different Bread and Toast taste, that's the difference between Hydrolysis and Dextronisation.... effectively.


On the other thing.... Not only is the chemical difference between the ERdM and Boli measurable with scientific equipment... much more importantly it's distinctly noticeable by the most important measuring tool in this equation... our body.

Are you some sort of mad genius professor? It sounds like you do something like this for a day job?

[ValeTudoGuy]

But a 1% difference in total sugars could account for a huge flavour difference, especially given that it could he one of a handful of different sugars depending on a couple things. Just think how different Bread and Toast taste, that's the difference between Hydrolysis and Dextronisation.... effectively.


On the other thing.... Not only is the chemical difference between the ERdM and Boli measurable with scientific equipment... much more importantly it's distinctly noticeable by the most important measuring tool in this equation... our body.

[butternutsquashpie]

Of course there is you plonker.... there's a measurable difference in two tobacco plants grown 100yards from each other never mind two completely different blends of cigars.

plonk plonk plonk

But seriously... I'm dubious (doubtful?). sure it may be measurable scientifically but would it matter in relevance to taste?
isn't that what we're arguing here? If so, wouldn't using such radically different cigars like Upmann - NC ligeros be a wiser move as of yet?

Wouldn't Hydrolysis vs Dextrinisation account for a difference here?

Yes. Nevermind... I did not know of the existence of dextrinisation (i'm not a biologist, damn it!)
On top of that, how much really breaks down? Keep in mind that a cigar ferments to avoid decomposition. Also, starches aren't the major component of leaves... They're other sugar polymer chained molecules that I think won't ever decompose when given the properties of a humidor. IF they did, wouldn't Clear Havanas just be dust?? since those barely break down, any starches in there would be negligable, no?



This is rather unfortunate as we're only discussing the logical aspects of the LONG TERM processes. I'm pretty sure we're both being very logical here. We can both be right about everything which makes this a more philosophical debate if we don't apply it with experiments.

[Wigan]

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[ValeTudoGuy]

there's no hypothetical chemical difference in these cigars... not ones I can see. most variables are held too similarly unfortunately

Of course there is you plonker.... there's a measurable difference in two tobacco plants grown 100yards from each other never mind two completely different blends of cigars.

[ValeTudoGuy]

Starches and most plant fibres decomposes into sugars before being set on fire. The starch [chemically, logically] should be irrelevant due to the way it burns.

Wouldn't Hydrolysis vs Dextrinisation account for a difference here?

[PeeJay]

Whats going on, it was a play on words with a song title. I thought you lot were just egging on Butters for not realising? Is this science real?

Thank God someone got the joke! But it was a sensible question as well Wiggy. You need to PM me on how to do the fancy embedding links behind pretty words thing.

[Wigan]

Whats going on, it was a play on words with a song title. I thought you lot were just egging on Butters for not realising? Is this science real?

[butternutsquashpie]

I stand by ERdM and Boli. New boxes.

there's no hypothetical chemical difference in these cigars... not ones I can see. most variables are held too similarly unfortunately

[ValeTudoGuy]

As NC's are pre aged I think it could taint the trial but still worth a try. I stand by ERdM and Boli. New boxes.

[sheppsea]

you mean wasn't exactly? Or it was? Now you have me bamboozled!!

Anyway, point out where you got confused. I'd love to walk you through this . What's science without education, innit?

I did mean 'wasn't' - english clearly wasn't a strong point either!

I was basically lost straight away As much as I would love to learn a little more about something I think we would need to do it on a day where I haven't been at work all day

[butternutsquashpie]

Is it? I haven't got a clue what most of the posts were on about

Unfortunately science was exactly my strong point at school

you mean wasn't exactly? Or it was? Now you have me bamboozled!!

Anyway, point out where you got confused. I'd love to walk you through this . What's science without education, innit?

[sheppsea]

P.s. great thread PJ.

Is it? I haven't got a clue what most of the posts were on about

Unfortunately science was exactly my strong point at school

[butternutsquashpie]

My understanding is that Nitrogen has a lot to do with strength. This is why cigars when aged can get stronger in peaks and then Will slowly mallow

My hypothesis on strength is fatty esters and annoying heavy phenolic chains that produce terrible aromatic pyrolytic tars.
Nitrogen would have a few affects as there are a lot of amino acids which would give it good/bad tastes.
Most likely it's both

MTobacco is a plant and so should be around 50% starch. Over time the starch Will turn to sugar and mellow out the smoke. But in the early days, the leaf Will go through a Nitrogen cycle and still be mostly starch which Will make it strong

Starches and most plant fibres decomposes into sugars before being set on fire. The starch [chemically, logically] should be irrelevant due to the way it burns.

I suppose my answer to the original question is if you put one usually weak cigar into a box of strength monsters, my theory suggests that at some point it Will be much more Nitrogen rich than it otherwise would have been.

This may be true IF tertiary amines break down into secondary and primary amines. I think a more advanced version of the Kjaldahl (pronounced judol) method of amine determination may be able to help with that.

Let's do a test and age an ERdM in a box of Boli's for a year and test it against one of it's original box mates.

Nope. ERdM and Bolivars would have similar properties. I would rather put an H. Upmann into a box full of Liga Privadas.
Make it RADICALLY different.

[ValeTudoGuy]

P.s. great thread PJ.