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A US cigar manufacturer's view on the 're-entry of Cuba into the market
Ramping up of the marketing BS in advance of the Cuban invasion CJ. In some ways he has a point, the Americans are sticklers for QC and don't hold back when it comes to complaining. I have some cigar smoking buddies in the U.S. who say, if Habanos think they can waltz into the U.S. with some of the stuff they've seen here they're sadly mistaken.
For years here it's been generally accepted if you get 2 or 3 smokes in a box of 25 that aren't quite right then it's just how it is with Cubans, we're happy the other 22 are so good. That won't work in America.
Might be a good thing for all of us if Cuban QC is tightened up.
A good cuban Is undoubtedly a superior cigar and a lot of NC's are unexciting and one dimensional. But Americans are demanding and won't put up with the variations in standards we do. So we'll end up ether better off or getting the rejects they can't ship to the US
A good cuban Is undoubtedly a superior cigar and a lot of NC's are unexciting and one dimensional. But Americans are demanding and won't put up with the variations in standards we do. So we'll end up ether better off or getting the rejects they can't ship to the US
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Let's hope it's definitely not the latter!
David
?Use any means to keep from being a genius, all means to become one.? John Cage
Ramping up of the marketing BS in advance of the Cuban invasion CJ. In some ways he has a point, the Americans are sticklers for QC and don't hold back when it comes to complaining. I have some cigar smoking buddies in the U.S. who say, if Habanos think they can waltz into the U.S. with some of the stuff they've seen here they're sadly mistaken.
For years here it's been generally accepted if you get 2 or 3 smokes in a box of 25 that aren't quite right then it's just how it is with Cubans, we're happy the other 22 are so good. That won't work in America.
Might be a good thing for all of us if Cuban QC is tightened up.
Yes, and dissonance all over the internet in little pockets too RD. I'd totally agree re the consumer in the US is generally more demanding of both quality and service which could pose problems for retailers, and then the supply chain going back to source. Successions of rejects at the front line would not be good for distributors or sustainable. Re QC, a while back I picked up a box for the COTM and had to send it back. 30% of the cigars were massively underfilled. Returning was not an issue but protracted in terms of time. With Cuba's hit rate in QC, for what ever reason, that is going to be problematic in the US market.
A good cuban Is undoubtedly a superior cigar and a lot of NC's are unexciting and one dimensional. But Americans are demanding and won't put up with the variations in standards we do. So we'll end up ether better off or getting the rejects they can't ship to the US
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Oh, the thought of it, especially as many UK smokers don't have the access the the same exposure to B&Ms as US smokers. It wouldn't be a simple as popping back into town to return a box or so.
In terms of QC one slight concern I have is that CCs will change the rolling technique they use so that there aren't so many tight draws.
I find NCs generally have a very loose draw and one of the reasons for that may be because they roll them looser so they don't run into as many quality issues
Personally I prefer a little resistance in the draw and would hate to see that change with CCs in order to satisfy the American Market
A good cuban Is undoubtedly a superior cigar and a lot of NC's are unexciting and one dimensional.
A good CC is better than a bad NC. So far I agree. But a good CC is not better than a good NC. They are simply different. I love good Cuban flavours but I also enjoy the vaster variety in NC flavour profiles.
On the other hand, I have had so many CC that were simply unsmokable in terms of draw and construction. QC in NC is far better. This whole CC vs. NC is just silly. It's like saying that good wine can only come from France, ignoring the vast selection of fine wines from all around the world.
When it comes to taste and flavours, there's no right or wrong. There is simply a great selection of cigars out there, some of them come from Cuba, others not. I think the US will see a surge in CC sales once they become available there and after a while CC will simply be part of the larger portfolio.
He's a bit hard to listen to for a longer time, but he does have some good points, if you get past the language and loudness of his 'presentation style'.
A good CC is better than a bad NC. So far I agree. But a good CC is not better than a good NC.
I think a number of people would disagree (including me), while its wrong to say all CCs are better than NCs, I think most people's experience is that the best cigars are CCs.
When I first started smoking I smoked roughly the same number of CCs and NCs, and after the first year I looked over my notes and my top 10 cigars were all CCs and I think 19 of the top 20 were CCs, I know that is just one person's experience, but I think it is quite a common one.
IMO the best NCs don't stand up to the best CCs, why else would they be far more sought after, even in countries where they are legally available.
Do you believe that somehow blends lessen the quality of the smoke ...or is it a combination of construction and blend ?
I think its as simple as the tobacco that goes into CCs is of a higher quality; there is a unique micro-climate and soil in Cuba that produces better tobacco.
Interestingly I think it was Arf (@Tippexx) who said that the soil isn't perfect and makes the plant work harder and this is what improves the tobacco
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