Cigar of the Month September 2020

[Tomm783]

Nice smoke really enjoyed it thanks for hosting!


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[PeeJay]

for the montecristo whites...

No the website

[grumpybaldy]

for the montecristo whites...

[PeeJay]

tobaccoonline.co.uk seem to stock various montecristo white, punch, RyJ and more.

anyone know these guys?

Unfortunate juxtaposition of the letters O there

[ha_banos]

tobaccoonline.co.uk seem to stock various montecristo white, punch, RyJ and more.

anyone know these guys?

[Max A]

They can't however sell in Europe because of the copyright laws though someone told me that Boisdales stocked these.

Interesting!

[PeeJay]

So the nationalisation annoyed the families and the embargo and trademark laws opened up the unique opportunity for the families or sneaky opportunists to launch a doppelgänger in an alternative location and sell to the US and beyond without any issues...

I'll definitely dig into this, I find the history of industries interesting and I'm sure the cigar industry has some fantastic stories!

They can't however sell in Europe because of the copyright laws though someone told me that Boisdales stocked these.

[Max A]

There's a drjoeshow episode where he goes into this.

Back in the day the brands were created in Cuba. The blends, the marketing established these brands. Then at the time of the revolution a lot of people left Cuba. And they set up, again, producing cigars in other countries. They took their experience, their brands, they grew and blended cigars that they sold under the brands they had established back in Cuba.

They are completely separate entities now Cuban montecristo and non cuban montecristo. Completely separate. Same with other brands. So which brands are the originals...? The ones left in Cuba or the ones reborn outside Cuba as the people left?

Now of course not all the people left so some brands might not have been phoenixed by any of the original families. But rode the coat tails of the established brands. Not sure what the origin of Cohiba red dot is actually...

But they are not there same companies.

Hirochi seems to still be in charge of the family operation in Cuba, V, but also now produces out of Cuba, HR. A unique situation?

Have a read of the histories.

So the nationalisation annoyed the families and the embargo and trademark laws opened up the unique opportunity for the families or sneaky opportunists to launch a doppelgänger in an alternative location and sell to the US and beyond without any issues...

I'll definitely dig into this, I find the history of industries interesting and I'm sure the cigar industry has some fantastic stories!

[Max A]

They're not the same marca, you can get cigars branded under the same name from most of the Cuban marcas from Non-Cuban brands. Who that brand is gets a bit complicated many including Monte are the originals owners who set up elsewhere when forced to hand over their companies during the revolution.

Give this a read for more information

https://www.cigaraficionado.com/arti...n-a-brand-name

Thanks for this Simeone! I never realised the reason but it makes so much sense now. I'll give this a full read later today 👍🏻

[ha_banos]

I haven't had a chance to smoke this yet due to my injury, but I'm excited to know it's one of these. I read about the non-cuban Montecristo's a couple of months ago and find them intriguing. Is this the only Cuban marca that also produces non-cuban cigars?

There's a drjoeshow episode where he goes into this.

Back in the day the brands were created in Cuba. The blends, the marketing established these brands. Then at the time of the revolution a lot of people left Cuba. And they set up, again, producing cigars in other countries. They took their experience, their brands, they grew and blended cigars that they sold under the brands they had established back in Cuba.

They are completely separate entities now Cuban montecristo and non cuban montecristo. Completely separate. Same with other brands. So which brands are the originals...? The ones left in Cuba or the ones reborn outside Cuba as the people left?

Now of course not all the people left so some brands might not have been phoenixed by any of the original families. But rode the coat tails of the established brands. Not sure what the origin of Cohiba red dot is actually...

But they are not there same companies.

Hirochi seems to still be in charge of the family operation in Cuba, V, but also now produces out of Cuba, HR. A unique situation?

Have a read of the histories.

[simwells]

I haven't had a chance to smoke this yet due to my injury, but I'm excited to know it's one of these. I read about the non-cuban Montecristo's a couple of months ago and find them intriguing. Is this the only Cuban marca that also produces non-cuban cigars?

They're not the same marca, you can get cigars branded under the same name from most of the Cuban marcas from Non-Cuban brands. Who that brand is gets a bit complicated many including Monte are the originals owners who set up elsewhere when forced to hand over their companies during the revolution.

Give this a read for more information

https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/what-s-in-a-brand-name

[Max A]

I haven't had a chance to smoke this yet due to my injury, but I'm excited to know it's one of these. I read about the non-cuban Montecristo's a couple of months ago and find them intriguing. Is this the only Cuban marca that also produces non-cuban cigars?

[pigpen]

THE REVEAL


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Very nice .... had one and enjoyed it

[PeeJay]

THE REVEAL


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[Niela]

Don't know what it is, but I'd say it has a good amount of domenican tobacco in it .

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