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  • Jose L Piedra - Petit Cazadores

    Uh oh, what's this!? A surprise late addition to the short smoke series, courtesy of a cigar sample pack.

    First Impressions

    I won't mince words here. This is by far the ugliest Cuban cigar I've ever smoked. The wrapper can only be described as Frankenstein's monster, huge bulbous stitched veins, green splodges, the works. The stick is light in the hand and giving it a squeeze it's very evident why. This cigar is suffering from a serious amount of under-filling at the cap and mid-section, allowing you to basically squeeze it to almost half the size before it springs back.

    Looks can be deceiving, so I dive in and see what this cigar truly has to offer.

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    Lighting Up

    Nothing. It has nothing to offer. The first few puffs are uneventful, a mild tobacco taste that reminds me of my youth spent smoking roll-ups. Very quickly, a metallic taste begins to emerge, and I am not even into the first centimetre before I hate it. There's an awful taste in my mouth, almost like I've spent the night at the pub smoking my way through a box or two of JPS black. I push on.

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    As I get past the initial third, I am done. I've been picking bits of the short filler out of my mouth for the better part of ten minutes, and my notes so far are devoid of anything other than vitriol for this particular cigar. Instead of continuing, I kill it. Knock off the ember, remove the band, spill the guts. I am satisfied that the beast is dead, as I peer at the assorted tobacco bits within. Straight to the wheelie bin with this mess - the ashtray deserves better.

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    Final Thoughts

    There were a couple of moments smoking this cigar that brought me back to my younger days. In my twenties, I had been a fan of an entirely different leaf, and occasionally had resorted to some pretty disgusting behaviour in order to combust the material that I adored. This would sometimes involve me splitting open old cigarettes to salvage the half smoked tobacco within. I am older now, wiser somewhat, but that experience came rushing back to me through this cigar.

    I can only hope the short filler here is scrapped from the cutting room floor and not its ashtrays. Probably the only joy found here was squeezing the cigar like a little stress ball at the beginning, or the times in which the flavour could only be described as absent, rather than awful.

    Absolute dog rocket.

    Final Score

    0/10

  • #2
    Ooof scathing! liles

    It is impossible to recover an underfilled cigar. It will likely burn hot. The blend cant be right or the leaves are bad. A tell tale sign is when they are squishy from cold. One bit of advice is if you are choosing a cigar yourself press along the length of it. You dont want any spongeyness. If you are buying online...? Your cigar merchant should be checking this for you. When I go to a store and the staff are picking a cigar for me to check, they usually do feel it for correctness. Can have adverse affect on the taste of the cigar... Bad luck, try again. And feel free to have a moan at your cigar merchant for sending you an underfilled cigar!


    The opposite can be an issue too where an overfilled cigar might be too tight on the draw. Then we resort to a perfecdraw tool or tweezers or teeth or fingernails to pull out stems etc! Again, not guaranteed to fix the cigar though, but it can recover some.

    Life's too short for bad cigars.
    .--
    I think I may finally have this CAD under control...

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    • #3
      That's a shame. I've always had a soft spot for the Petit Cazadores along with Quinteros Petit Quintero. Decent value budget smokes in my experience.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ha_banos View Post
        Ooof scathing! liles

        It is impossible to recover an underfilled cigar. It will likely burn hot. The blend cant be right or the leaves are bad. A tell tale sign is when they are squishy from cold. One bit of advice is if you are choosing a cigar yourself press along the length of it. You dont want any spongeyness. If you are buying online...? Your cigar merchant should be checking this for you. When I go to a store and the staff are picking a cigar for me to check, they usually do feel it for correctness. Can have adverse affect on the taste of the cigar... Bad luck, try again. And feel free to have a moan at your cigar merchant for sending you an underfilled cigar!


        The opposite can be an issue too where an overfilled cigar might be too tight on the draw. Then we resort to a perfecdraw tool or tweezers or teeth or fingernails to pull out stems etc! Again, not guaranteed to fix the cigar though, but it can recover some.

        Life's too short for bad cigars.
        Yea, definitely feel like the whole cigar sample pack was partially to get rid of these low-end cigars. I do mostly buy online, my local habanos supplier is unfortunately a fancy wine shop with very little selection and some shoddy storage techniques to boot. The only positive was I once had somebody ring an R&J Wide Churchill through as a No.3 judging by the price I paid, unexpected bonus to a lack of knowledgable staff.

        I am fortunate to be young in the realms of cigar smokers! Hopefully many, many years of cigars to come - both good and bad

        Originally posted by mcdee View Post
        That's a shame. I've always had a soft spot for the Petit Cazadores along with Quinteros Petit Quintero. Decent value budget smokes in my experience.
        I'm not against short filler. I've had some OK experiences with it in the past, but this was not one of them. It's possible with all the issues from Cuba following Covid, these super budget smokes have suffered more. Quinteros Petit Quintero seems to review a bit better from a cursory look, maybe it's worth a try.

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        • #5
          LOL dog rocket

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          • #6
            The Petit Cazadores is the best of the Vitola so I wouldn't rush to try the others!
            Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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            • #7
              Along with everyone's help so far, these reviews are invaluable, thankyou. I have WAAAY less experience than you in cigar smoking so everything I have tried so far is getting more or less a thumbs down from me.
              The Partagas Black Series I have are quite nice (although I think they have at least 10 years of age (albeit horrendously cared for)), but I bought them hoping for a multiplied experience from the Partagas Maduro No8 I had 15+ years ago. The No 8 & black series were the only cigars I have ever bought boxes of (when they were £100-150 for 24).

              After that, I have one more Partagas Maduro Naturale (last one was smoked to the nub) from 10 or so years ago.

              Do I really need to buy and leave alone for a number of years?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cigar_Addict View Post
                Along with everyone's help so far, these reviews are invaluable, thankyou. I have WAAAY less experience than you in cigar smoking so everything I have tried so far is getting more or less a thumbs down from me.
                The Partagas Black Series I have are quite nice (although I think they have at least 10 years of age (albeit horrendously cared for)), but I bought them hoping for a multiplied experience from the Partagas Maduro No8 I had 15+ years ago. The No 8 & black series were the only cigars I have ever bought boxes of (when they were £100-150 for 24).

                After that, I have one more Partagas Maduro Naturale (last one was smoked to the nub) from 10 or so years ago.

                Do I really need to buy and leave alone for a number of years?
                People definitely do seem to enjoy a more rested CC, but for me, you can definitely get a good experience with a fresh cigar.

                What do you enjoy about the cigars you have smoked, and what do you dislike?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by liles View Post

                  People definitely do seem to enjoy a more rested CC, but for me, you can definitely get a good experience with a fresh cigar.

                  What do you enjoy about the cigars you have smoked, and what do you dislike?
                  I like smooth smoke that doesn't sting, and creamy flavours. Most of what I have tried so far have tasted like ashtrays. They include
                  • Davidoff Winston Churchill Traveller Belicoso (VERY light pack)
                  • Oliva Serie G Cameroon
                  • Mitchellero Robusto
                  • Inka Secret Blend Blue Petit Corona
                  • Alec Bradley Project 40 Maduro
                  • Esteban Carrera Mr Brownstone Maduro
                  • Partagas Black Series (salvaged from 10 years ago)
                  • Partagas Naturale Maduro (salvaged from 10 years ago)
                  • Juliany Robusto
                  • Oliva Serie V Double Robusto
                  Apart from the Party's, (the Naturale I smoked to the nub) they have been largely disappointing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cigar_Addict View Post

                    I like smooth smoke that doesn't sting, and creamy flavours. Most of what I have tried so far have tasted like ashtrays. They include
                    • Davidoff Winston Churchill Traveller Belicoso (VERY light pack)
                    • Oliva Serie G Cameroon
                    • Mitchellero Robusto
                    • Inka Secret Blend Blue Petit Corona
                    • Alec Bradley Project 40 Maduro
                    • Esteban Carrera Mr Brownstone Maduro
                    • Partagas Black Series (salvaged from 10 years ago)
                    • Partagas Naturale Maduro (salvaged from 10 years ago)
                    • Juliany Robusto
                    • Oliva Serie V Double Robusto
                    Apart from the Party's, (the Naturale I smoked to the nub) they have been largely disappointing.
                    Back in 2004/5 I bought the black series as I was after more of the flavours I was getting from a Party No. 8 Maduro. That was a really nice stick, even fresh. The black series was nice, but not what I was hoping for

                    The No8 was bought in a sampler I made up

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                    The No8 was a standout against those other notable Brands

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cigar_Addict View Post

                      Back in 2004/5 I bought the black series as I was after more of the flavours I was getting from a Party No. 8 Maduro. That was a really nice stick, even fresh. The black series was nice, but not what I was hoping for

                      The No8 was bought in a sampler I made up

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                      The No8 was a standout against those other notable Brands
                      Dang, wish we had those prices now!

                      Yeah TBH I haven't tried a lot of the historic Cuban brand's NC collections so couldn't comment. I've personally found, even after trying a variety of New World cigars, I don't generally get along with them as much as Cubans. I stay away from Nicaraguan tobacco as I find it a bit "too much", I prefer Dominican and Cameroon.

                      Have you tried any Arturo Fuente stuff? I like a lot of the stuff they produce, they have some fuller flavour and maduro options alongside some more approachable natural wrapper cigars.

                      In terms of CC for "cream" I'd go for something like a Hoyo Epicure No.2 or an Especial. The issue is that you're doing a much bigger cost investment, so the potential disappointment is higher!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by liles View Post

                        Dang, wish we had those prices now!

                        Yeah TBH I haven't tried a lot of the historic Cuban brand's NC collections so couldn't comment. I've personally found, even after trying a variety of New World cigars, I don't generally get along with them as much as Cubans. I stay away from Nicaraguan tobacco as I find it a bit "too much", I prefer Dominican and Cameroon.

                        Have you tried any Arturo Fuente stuff? I like a lot of the stuff they produce, they have some fuller flavour and maduro options alongside some more approachable natural wrapper cigars.

                        In terms of CC for "cream" I'd go for something like a Hoyo Epicure No.2 or an Especial. The issue is that you're doing a much bigger cost investment, so the potential disappointment is higher!
                        Not tried any AF sticks yet, my endeavours are much like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Not necessarily after a CC (as I don't have the budget), just something enjoyable that doesn't cost the earth. I signed up for the Smoke-King delivery so ordering one or two at a time to feel my way through

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cigar_Addict View Post

                          Not tried any AF sticks yet, my endeavours are much like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Not necessarily after a CC (as I don't have the budget), just something enjoyable that doesn't cost the earth. I signed up for the Smoke-King delivery so ordering one or two at a time to feel my way through
                          Try some of the Jjfox house blends. They'll soon be stocking BR petit 109 too. These all come from Fabrica 5. That have been producing some great blends.

                          Also if the current Plasencia 2024 Orchant selection is anything like the previous lancero (2021?) It should be good.
                          .--
                          I think I may finally have this CAD under control...

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                          • #14
                            I think you may just be fighting a losing battle if you just like Cubans that isn't that uncommon and it can take some time to find NC's that will live up to those expectations and they're often not a saving over Cubans for the good ones.

                            You've said about budget but is continuously smoking cigars you don't like compared to spending the same on a stick less often not a better route? It's a false economy if you don't enjoy them.

                            Europe on holiday and an lcdh plus invest in the future and spread them out I think if you look at cost to enjoyment it would actually be in your favour


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by simwells View Post
                              I think you may just be fighting a losing battle if you just like Cubans that isn't that uncommon and it can take some time to find NC's that will live up to those expectations and they're often not a saving over Cubans for the good ones.

                              You've said about budget but is continuously smoking cigars you don't like compared to spending the same on a stick less often not a better route? It's a false economy if you don't enjoy them.

                              Europe on holiday and an lcdh plus invest in the future and spread them out I think if you look at cost to enjoyment it would actually be in your favour


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                              Yea, that's how my thinking is going really. Maybe I need to try a Cuban (genuinely not sure if the No8, Naturale and Black Series are actual Cubans???) and see if it is what I'm hoping for, then I can adjust my expectations & budget like you say.

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