Ban the Burqa ?

[snooky]

We are a very tolerant race and set a great example to the world, even the BNP have a right to speak though some extreme right are not so articulate and are blinded by ignorance , this doesnt mean they are wrong in thier views. This issue isnt aimed at race or religon. It is for the most a security issue , which i know if some terrorist idiot wants to cause mayhem they will, but we must remove the risk, whats the point of all these cameras around the capital ? and if the women who wear these burqas were allowed to speak [freely without suppresion] do you think they would choose to wear these hideous masks for most of thier lives. Would you want your pretty daughter or wife to hide behind a veil. The wearing of the burqa is no freedom of expression !
You can walk down the high street drunk on a Friday night wearing holes in jeans and skirts around thier waists , none of us agree to this but you are free to , now in Dubai a British tourist gets kicked to death by police for swearing !

[peanutpete]

ban the burqa for security? what next stop people wearing fancy dress ? is it not are tolerence of other cultures that make the uk great and not our past empire,
if mad men/women want to kill us they will find a way, face mask or no face mask, as has been said in banks/ goverment buildings by all means ask them to remove it but other then that who really got the time to give a shit what other people do?

[Simon-JG-hr]

Naturally, though bucket hats must be banned because they look bloody stupid on anyone other than an Aussie with a beer... and even that's debatable...

[patrickspark]

can i still wear my trilby ?

[Eddie]

This demonstrates the person type of person who votes in these laws, I think we'll all agree that he demonstrates the downside to votes for all in a democratic society.

[Simon-JG-hr]

I understand that the defence of the realm is a very complicated task that has many facets.

And there, I believe, is the reason that there will always be such heated debates on topics relating to security. You can get wild variations in responses on the same issue even from security 'experts': you may find that those with military, police, diplomatic or 'other' backgrounds view the same topic from different angles, seeing different causes, so think that different solutions would be most appropriate. Indeed, my brief visit to the British Embassy in Ankara highlighted just that - how, even within the same building, there were such a variety of thoughts on how best to deal with some of the same concerns from different departments. Unfortunately, it therefore lands to politicians to find the compromise, perhaps to sort the wheat from the chaff. Sadly, politics is as much about popularity as it is about effectiveness - and, unpopular though this comment may be, the public know best far less frequently than they would like to believe. (Democracy is not about the public getting what they want all the time, but about their elected representatives making correct and coherent decisions - look at the mess that Iceland's referendum on repayment of British and Dutch debt may have got them into). I fear that I am digressing somewhat now, so will shut up...

[Mark3142]

Not BNP at all. All CS are forbidden to be members of BNP. I understand that the defence of the realm is a very complicated task that has many facets. I am also very proud of my country and that is why I served it all my working life. Sometimes there has to be hard decisions made for the greater good. How many times have we the tax payer paid for legal aid when certain groups take offence at our laws that infringe on their human rights. Well if their country's signed up to the treaty then they should be covered but the don't but they still want the protection that it offers. It bugs me that people like Abu Hamza (mr hook hand) can come here to the streets of my country and preach his filth and when he is incarcerated use my taxes to sue the establishment for his mistreatment.

Do you agree with this? We only find out about the headline cases. How many other thousands of pounds have been spent on legal aid for people who put nothing into the sytem that they want to protect them.

I'll get off my soapbox now and sit quietly waiting in the corner

[Kdot]

I for 1 think it is a great idea. We as a state pander to the minority's to much. When we live/work/holiday is foreign climes we have to abide by the law of the land. People deported for publicly kissing recently springs to mind.
Yet we in the UK seem to pre occupied with the pleasing of all and sundry.
I have served in the Army for over 22 yrs and spent 6 yrs of that in a Counter Terrorist role so understand a bit more than most. Didn't a terrorist escape from a country dressed as a woman in a face veil??
I may be described as an archaic old dinosaur in my beliefs but I'm very proud of my country and what it stands for. Bring back the Empire is what I say

Im shocked you were in a counter terrorist role with your views, very BNP...are you still pissed off with the abolition of slavery too?

I'm very proud of my country and what it stands for, shame the knuckle draggers hold it back with their backward mentality.

[Robusto]

Sounds like a Bob Hope movie.

[Eddie]

Not many but male terrorists have used it as a disguise to successful avoid detection, it has only come to light afterwards how they achieved their escape

Its a trick the press and special forces / secret services use to cross borders too. Both in and out of countries. And sometimes to travel around places like Afgan.

[Mark3142]

i mean come on, how many times has someone committed a crime dressed in a burqa...

honestly...

Not many but male terrorists have used it as a disguise to successful avoid detection, it has only come to light afterwards how they achieved their escape

[Eddie]

There is no difference between a Muslim man "forcing" his wife to cover up in public and an over protective / possessive non-Muslim guy telling his wife / gf not to wear low cut tops or tight skirts etc.

Its a scary right wing law. Similar to the way the Nazis started to enact anti Jew laws "for the security of the people".

[daverave999]

Title of thread should read Burqa not Buqa, what a berka.

Sorted.

What business is it of the Government's what I wear, drink, smoke, etc.
Much as I realise it might used a tool of misogynistic oppression, it's not the tool but the intent that should be legislated against.

Did banning handguns/knuckle dusters/butterfly knives stop people getting killed ? Or are other tools used in the commission of violence?
Did banning certain drugs stop people wanting to get high, or did it create a black market uncontrolled by the authorities and push others to new and unknown 'legal highs'?

It's easy for the tabloid press to go after the soundbite headline BAN THIS SICK FILTH but you can't change human nature.

[Jacobwaits]

Just remembered what I was going to say before...I seriously believe that laws should be in place that forbid (with no exception) the wearing of the skinny jean by the male sex and a suitable punishment for those that disobey.


Sorry for getting a little heavy but it had to be said.

[patrickspark]

i'm in the live-and-let-live camp