Rocky Patel do NOT dye there cigars

[Manning]

well I emailed Rocky Patel and asked them do they dye their cigars? Specifically the edge torpedo maduro and I got a kind response from the vice president of sales:

'Dan, We do not dye our cigars. Not sure what you saw? Please send me your address and I will replace bad cigars.

Regards,


Dave Bullock
Vice President Of Sales
Rocky Patel Premium Cigars,Inc. '

I responded that if the staining is natural there is no need to replace any. Anyway hope this helps anyone who was wondering like me whether or not their cigars are dyed.

[Sean]

Haha straight to the point there hopefully you will get some goodies off tbem

[ValeTudoGuy]

At least they offered replacement, when I e-mailed Aging Room they pretty much said "Tough Titties"

Edit: Could you ask them if they process or age their leaves in molasses or some other kind of dark liquid?

[monkey66]

It's a very interesting discussion because most wrappers are treated in some way during/after maturation. This substance is known as bethune (it litrally means shoe-polish!).

Traditionally it was purely used as a fermentation aid and not to influence flavor. It is said that you should never taste it and it is totally a fermentation aid.

Now the contents of bethune are much guarded and debated. Farms and producers had/have secret recipes (although I suspect these have been probably been normalized in Cuba these days). Apparently these can include anything from water and run-off juices from the tobacco to starches/molasses/sugars/rum/spices/herbs/coffee/wine and many more. I understand Bethune is used in some form on pretty much all cigars CC's and NC's.

Also what is natural? If I paint all my cigars with a natural dye is that ok?

What bethune is ok? We'll nobody would have a problem with water or tobacco juices ...what about other elements? When is a puro not a puro?

If we use lemon juice and honey purely to encourage maturation to turn all my wrappers dark is that ok?

The thing that always interests me is that a lot of NC's have identical shades box to box and year to year. I find it hard to envisage that any natural process could produce such a consistent result, but of course they could just have nailed their process.

I guess what we all want is the actual information as to what goes into our cigars but that information is inevitably trade secrets.

[ValeTudoGuy]

Perhaps it shouldn't be a trade secret, we have a right to know what we're putting in our body. IMO

[PeeJay]

If that worries you don't read the article about ready meals in the Mail Online!

[DogManDude]

Pretty clear answer there. thanks for sharing!

[butternutsquashpie]

Pretty clear answer there. thanks for sharing!

Not as black and white there. It shouldn't answer your question black and white when you see the questions that the cigars poses themselves. Read Monkey66's post up there.

If a something helps with maturation and is coated on, is it still a dye?
How do some NCs retain their colour year after year, box after box without fail while CCs have variation in every box?!

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[Manning]

At least they offered replacement, when I e-mailed Aging Room they pretty much said "Tough Titties"

Edit: Could you ask them if they process or age their leaves in molasses or some other kind of dark liquid?

will email them if they respond will update thread

[Manning]

It's a very interesting discussion because most wrappers are treated in some way during/after maturation. This substance is known as bethune (it litrally means shoe-polish!).

Traditionally it was purely used as a fermentation aid and not to influence flavor. It is said that you should never taste it and it is totally a fermentation aid.

Now the contents of bethune are much guarded and debated. Farms and producers had/have secret recipes (although I suspect these have been probably been normalized in Cuba these days). Apparently these can include anything from water and run-off juices from the tobacco to starches/molasses/sugars/rum/spices/herbs/coffee/wine and many more. I understand Bethune is used in some form on pretty much all cigars CC's and NC's.

Also what is natural? If I paint all my cigars with a natural dye is that ok?

What bethune is ok? We'll nobody would have a problem with water or tobacco juices ...what about other elements? When is a puro not a puro?

If we use lemon juice and honey purely to encourage maturation to turn all my wrappers dark is that ok?

The thing that always interests me is that a lot of NC's have identical shades box to box and year to year. I find it hard to envisage that any natural process could produce such a consistent result, but of course they could just have nailed their process.

I guess what we all want is the actual information as to what goes into our cigars but that information is inevitably trade secrets.

great point there, now youve given me even more questions i want answered .

[Edamski]

Some good points flying around here!

Love it when the "big wigs" get involved with emails like that

[Wigan]

It's a very interesting discussion because most wrappers are treated in some way during/after maturation. This substance is known as bethune (it litrally means shoe-polish!).

Traditionally it was purely used as a fermentation aid and not to influence flavor. It is said that you should never taste it and it is totally a fermentation aid.

Now the contents of bethune are much guarded and debated. Farms and producers had/have secret recipes (although I suspect these have been probably been normalized in Cuba these days). Apparently these can include anything from water and run-off juices from the tobacco to starches/molasses/sugars/rum/spices/herbs/coffee/wine and many more. I understand Bethune is used in some form on pretty much all cigars CC's and NC's.

Also what is natural? If I paint all my cigars with a natural dye is that ok?

What bethune is ok? We'll nobody would have a problem with water or tobacco juices ...what about other elements? When is a puro not a puro?

If we use lemon juice and honey purely to encourage maturation to turn all my wrappers dark is that ok?

The thing that always interests me is that a lot of NC's have identical shades box to box and year to year. I find it hard to envisage that any natural process could produce such a consistent result, but of course they could just have nailed their process.

I guess what we all want is the actual information as to what goes into our cigars but that information is inevitably trade secrets.

Excellent post (and thread) which if it doesn't get TJ back involved then nothing will and we need to declare him dead. Who is going to inform his family that he left his puro collection to the forum?