Why NCs are better...

[Kdot]

the guys just a hater...i like a couple of NCs but a good cuban is better than any NC ever made.

[Smallclub]

The argument on "poor construction" and "acrid taste due to tobacco not being properly fermented" was valid in the late 90's/early 2000's, it's no longer justified at all since 2006…

These people from the NC cigar industry are out of arguments, period.

[Lascaux]

Muchacho Lascox,

Have you never enjoyed a well-aged A. Fuente God of Fire on a quite evening as a warm breeze whispers softly through the bending branches of a giant magnolia and lifts the hem of the loose-fitting frock hanging gently from the hooters of your mind? Hmmmm?


A fine cigar like that might change your mind about N/Cs.

your description makes the hooters of my mind ooze with the juice of excitement!

i shall try one of these 'ifrits' on thursday!

[TJCoro]

It's a Big, Beautiful World of Stogies!

I have to agree that the nc's I've had have all been consistent smokes, but, as of yet, they fail on the flavor game (so far--I've got some Arturo F's and Padron's waiting for a tasting).

I'm a huge Habano Fan and agree that they are among the finest puros on the planet, but I find myself talking the minority position on this thread for some odd reason.

Since 1933, I have had the pleasure of smoking many Cuban and Non-Cuban stogies. And while I agree today's Habanos (post 2002)are among the finest cigars in the world, there are several non-cuban cigars that I believe are worthy of the same "top-shelf" consideration - Such as the previously mentioned A. Fuente God of Fire and the Padron 80 years (thanks for reminding me, Soulman)!

[G-man]

For me a good Cuban beats every non cuban,
Hell even a bad Cuban beats a non cuban cos at least it had the potential to be good!
I like buying into a gamble. NC guarantees pleasant mediocrity, a Cuban tries to go beyond!

The article just argues the quality control thing, that and the price are the only things going for NCs IMO.

(sorry NC lovers, to quote the forum anthem "it's got to be a cuban")


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OH so don't worry about Quality contol LMFAO
I have to admit I have burned some great Cubans,but am I willing to fuck around trying to enjoy a cigar that just won't perform. NO,hell no. If a cigar has problems I uaually toss it and move on to something that doesn't. At the prices of Cubans I couldn't afford to do that to often. I watched a BOTL trying to enjoy a CC while Skyping and told him to pitch the bitch and he said " Not for what I payed for it". Nothing like being let down buy the 1 thing we look foward to at the end of a long day.

[larrysputnik]

Yeah, but the only NCs I think are comparable to CCs are Padrons, and I pay less for CCs than I do for a box of Padrons. Juan Lopez = cheaper, RyJ short Churchys = cheaper, Cohiba Secretos = cheaper, Cohiba Robustos = same price, Partagas - cheaper, HDM = cheaper, etc. I think this piggybacks off of Lascaux's comment in some respects; NCs have consistent construction but price for the cigars TJ mentions as being comparable NCs are more expensive than the majority of CCs. Just a thought.

[jdawg]

I'll be honest! This cuban versus non-cuban discussion is getting quite old.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. They are different animals. They both have different flavor profiles and everyone's tastes are different. I think Larry made a good point about the UK market only recently getting into the non-cuban arena and UK smokers are used to Cuban flavors. Also, the UK market is very limited when it comes to non-cubans. You guys have non-cubans geared towards the UK market that I have never heard of. Quite frankly, most probably are crap.

In the US, we have so many non-cubans on the market that there is bound to be shitty ones. However, there are many great ones too.

Personally, I like both cubans and non-cubans and I smoke both!!! There are too many great cigars out there to limit yourself.

[Big J]

There is some good Non-Cubans outhere and I smoke both NC's and Cubans. With that said, I rather smoke a Cuban before a Non-Cuban anytime. I love the flavors and aroma of a Cuban cigar. Nothing beats smoking a good Cuban cigar!

[TJCoro]

There is some good Non-Cubans outhere and I smoke both NC's and Cubans. With that said, I rather smoke a Cuban before a Non-Cuban anytime. I love the flavors and aroma of a Cuban cigar. Nothing beats smoking a good Cuban cigar!

Well....almost nothing, right Mr. Johnson.

[whisky77]

Chances.

It is nice to see that I'm not the only one to find it hard to buy into Svenson's argument. I was especially irritated by his comment that we buy CCs. for the chance that a good one actually made it into a box. As if to say buying a box of CCs is like buying into the lottery with the hopes of actually getting a winner in the middle of a bunch of turds.

With that said, I did find it enlightening that the mediocre construction and occasional "acrid" taste that I find in the occasional CC is a result of poor funding for the Cuban cigar industry. I always thought that the cigar industry was Cuba's biggest industry. Though, admittedly, my perception of Cuba has been formulated through American eyes and, as such, I know is flawed. I'm still learning about the misinformation on Cuba I have been given in public schools all my life.

But for arguments sake, let me also point out that many UK cigar smokers have only recently been introduced to NCs. Could there be a flaw in your arguments against NCs? Maybe years of smoking CCs has altered your palate to make it more difficult to enjoy new tastes in tobacco? Did you enjoy beer the very first time you tasted it? How about coffee? I know my first CC I was sure was a fake when all I had to compare it to was the taste of Padrons.

I agree with you up to a point larry. If I had been brought up smoking NC then I would probably be happy enough to continue smoking them.

I have no great knowledge of NC, but some of the ones gifted to me by forum members have been really good smokes. Likewise I have also had some shit Cuban smokes.

You pay your money and take your chances.

[Big J]

Well....almost nothing, right Mr. Johnson.

Who in the HELL is Mr. Johnson? Stop smoking that crack, TJ!

[kingcohiba]

I'll be honest! This cuban versus non-cuban discussion is getting quite old.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. They are different animals. They both have different flavor profiles and everyone's tastes are different. I think Larry made a good point about the UK market only recently getting into the non-cuban arena and UK smokers are used to Cuban flavors. Also, the UK market is very limited when it comes to non-cubans. You guys have non-cubans geared towards the UK market that I have never heard of. Quite frankly, most probably are crap.

In the US, we have so many non-cubans on the market that there is bound to be shitty ones. However, there are many great ones too.

Personally, I like both cubans and non-cubans and I smoke both!!! There are too many great cigars out there to limit yourself.

AMEN! Could not have said it better myself Jerry.

[peanutpete]

i have not smoked enough cigars, cuban or non cuban to have a have a strong opinon on what is best but the one thing i always notice in these cc v nc debate is that nc are always lumped together, is it more diffcult to know were the tabbaco comes from were as cuban tabacco has a certain taste that we recognise

[ChrisMClark]

I'm guessing the CC Vs. NC debate is as old as the Canon Vs. Nikon argument we get in photography circles. I'm gessing it's also as irritating for more seasoned smokers! For me both arguments come down to the same couple of points: Personal preference, or personal experience. I prefer Nikon cameras, having tried both Nikon and Canon extensively...I prefer NC having not really tried CC. There is no right answer.

What iritates me most though is the biased manor in which the original article was written.

[Robert747]

the one thing i always notice in these cc v nc debate is that nc are always lumped together,

How true! It is a little like saying Frence wines and non French wines - and grouping all non French Wines together. I guess a starting point is to define what makes a Dominican Republic cigar different from a Nicaraguan from a Honduran and so on. The only Havana cigars we see in the UK are, in general, superb - the very best Cuba has to offer. On the other hand while we see the very best Dominican Republic cigars (as an example) in the UK we also see some that fall into the 'average' category.

I would never limit myself to only French wines, because that would be quite sad!