Ageing of Tubed Cigars

[tippexx]

[QUOTE=Stevieboy;216027] That story of mismatched colours makes perfect sense though don't you think? Good business sense anyways ....

No. I thought they were all mismatches and from batches not necessarily from the same factories .... which were then colour graded and boxed. And, if they were to lay all these so called mismatches to one side with the intention of putting them into tubes at some later date, it might take days before they had enough for one pack of Siglo II AT .... not the best use of resources, and I would imagine totally impractical and unworkable from a schedules perspective.


[QUOTE=Stevieboy; On a side note J, I noticed lately when reading MRN that the Monte 1 and the Monte Tubo are different sizes! For years I've always assumed they're the same but one is slightly longer than the other (can't remember which) [/QUOTE]


Correct. Monte Tubos is a Coronas Grandes. Monte 1 is the longer Cervantes. But in-line with Butternut theory, perhaps Monte Tubos are just ugly Monte 1s cut down?


Tubes have been around for yonks, Louis Fonseca is credited with introducing them back in the 1800s. Initially they were made from tin and were plain. The purpose was to protect and to aid the maturing process.

[Stevieboy]

my best guess is honestly: a marketing scheme.
i've a mate who never buys them because of a few conversations with a factory director. he basically says they tube cigars that don't come out with a consistent colour and so doesn't match with the box when mass produced. that would make sense as maybe a starting idea. but it seems like it has developped into something larger.

also think here:
monte 4 =~ monte petit tubos
monte 1 =~ monte tubos
monte edmundo = monte edmundo tubos
monte pet edm = monte pet edm tubos
why are the 4s and 1s given different names whilst the other two aren't?
Bolivar no.2 =~ bolivar petit corona
etc etc etc.

That story of mismatched colours makes perfect sense though don't you think? Good business sense anyways....


On a side note J, I noticed lately when reading MRN that the Monte 1 and the Monte Tubo are different sizes! For years I've always assumed they're the same but one is slightly longer than the other (can't remember which)



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[butternutsquashpie]

For quick, easy sales probably......I think they're designed with the retailer in mind and not the consumer

ah stevie m'boy. ya bested me by 2 minutes. if i didn't type so much bullshit, i would've made YOU look like the fool.

but seriously. yupp, retailer. RYJ no2 tubos exists as an incredibly cheap and consistent cigar. i love em but i honestly hate their tubes that fly out of my shelves when i have no where to put them. and the issue with these is around half their screw caps are defective.
but that aside, RYJ 2 was MANY people's first box of cigars. and for that reason, i don't see why they would discontinue something that does so well!

[butternutsquashpie]

Picking up on butternut's comment about Habanos tubing cigars for a reason, it would be interesting to know why they do tube certain cigars. Is it just for physical protection, to eliminate the need for a humidor, or to influence the flavour?

my best guess is honestly: a marketing scheme.
i've a mate who never buys them because of a few conversations with a factory director. he basically says they tube cigars that don't come out with a consistent colour and so doesn't match with the box when mass produced. that would make sense as maybe a starting idea. but it seems like it has developped into something larger.

also think here:
monte 4 =~ monte petit tubos
monte 1 =~ monte tubos
monte edmundo = monte edmundo tubos
monte pet edm = monte pet edm tubos
why are the 4s and 1s given different names whilst the other two aren't?
Bolivar no.2 =~ bolivar petit corona
etc etc etc.

[Stevieboy]

Picking up on butternut's comment about Habanos tubing cigars for a reason, it would be interesting to know why they do tube certain cigars. Is it just for physical protection, to eliminate the need for a humidor, or to influence the flavour?

For quick, easy sales probably......I think they're designed with the retailer in mind and not the consumer

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[Cubist]

Picking up on butternut's comment about Habanos tubing cigars for a reason, it would be interesting to know why they do tube certain cigars. Is it just for physical protection, to eliminate the need for a humidor, or to influence the flavour?

[PeeJay]

So the cedar lining obviously makes a difference then. The tubed American Bering cigar I had was in an unlined tube.

[butternutsquashpie]

Way i see it, Habanos has tubes for a reason. leave em in there for the exact same reason.
Punch Punch i had yesterday from 09 seemed to taste younger than the Punch Punch i had untubed from 09 a while back. whilst being smoother and woodier, you can definite taste that the tubed one wasn't ripe yet.....

And on the note of woodiness. many people prefer the tubed versions of things. for example: the Bolivar RC, RYJ Churchill (which i have 12-20 of ageing in my humidor IN their tubes), monte tubos/petit tubos (can't stand the box pressing of the monte 4s and 1s).
and that's a final thing: tubed cigars are not box pressed. the monte 4 that comes in a tube (monte petit tubos) are not box pressed and if you can take my word for it, slightly better.


as a side note:

Names Perro, el Perro

huzzah! El P's back!!

[ValeTudoGuy]

I still haven't found anything definitive about what we are expecting to happen when a cigar is aged, the closest I have come is finding a comment by a guy called Michael Herklots who is apparently a "certified master tobacconist" suggesting that the Ammonia disperses and the acidity neutralises.

Depending on what is taking place could make a difference in which conditions would be favourable.

[Cubist]

Hi TJCoro. Your observation about tubed cigars aging slower may just hint towards my theory of the aging process slowing down. Who knows?

[Cubist]

If oxygen can get in and out then surely humidity can too?

Thats my thought as well. How I see it, if the seal on the tube is tight enough to stop water vapour then its tight enough to stop oxygen. If its not tight enough to stop one, it wont stop either. I think its very unlikely that the seal is designed and engineered to the point it can stop water vapour but not oxygen.

[TJCoro]

Keep 'er tubed!

The tubes aren't totally airtight. Therefore for any oxygen which escapes, oxygen can also get in. The tubes are intended to retain optimum humidity (that of the cigar factory) and to assist the maturation process. Somewhere in their vaults Mitch, JJ Fox or Ajay may have Dunhill Estupendos, I think it very unlikely they would store them caps off.

...and furthermore chico Cube, according to some, tubed puros age better, but slower.

From my limited experience with tubed sticks, I find well-aged and cared for tubed puros superior to non-tubed puros.

But that's just me.


Names Perro, el Perro


Haha! Someone should put you in a tube, ya' stupid looking dawg smiley!

[ValeTudoGuy]

Oh it will, without doubt John. At what rate, I have no idea.

[PeeJay]

If oxygen can get in and out then surely humidity can too?

[ValeTudoGuy]

The tubes aren't totally airtight. Therefore for any oxygen which escapes, oxygen can also get in.

The tubes are intended to retain optimum humidity (that of the cigar factory) and to assist the maturation process. Somewhere in their vaults Mitch, JJ Fox or Ajay may have Dunhill Estupendos, I think it very unlikely they would store them caps off.

Interesting I understand that oxygen transfer will take place, I suppose my initial thought was stale air without some movement. Out of interest how long would you trust a tube to maintain reasonable conditions outside a humi?