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  • #31
    Originally posted by ha_banos View Post

    There's a drjoeshow episode where he goes into this.

    Back in the day the brands were created in Cuba. The blends, the marketing established these brands. Then at the time of the revolution a lot of people left Cuba. And they set up, again, producing cigars in other countries. They took their experience, their brands, they grew and blended cigars that they sold under the brands they had established back in Cuba.

    They are completely separate entities now Cuban montecristo and non cuban montecristo. Completely separate. Same with other brands. So which brands are the originals...? The ones left in Cuba or the ones reborn outside Cuba as the people left?

    Now of course not all the people left so some brands might not have been phoenixed by any of the original families. But rode the coat tails of the established brands. Not sure what the origin of Cohiba red dot is actually...

    But they are not there same companies.

    Hirochi seems to still be in charge of the family operation in Cuba, V, but also now produces out of Cuba, HR. A unique situation?

    Have a read of the histories.
    So the nationalisation annoyed the families and the embargo and trademark laws opened up the unique opportunity for the families or sneaky opportunists to launch a doppelgänger in an alternative location and sell to the US and beyond without any issues...

    I'll definitely dig into this, I find the history of industries interesting and I'm sure the cigar industry has some fantastic stories!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Max A View Post

      So the nationalisation annoyed the families and the embargo and trademark laws opened up the unique opportunity for the families or sneaky opportunists to launch a doppelgänger in an alternative location and sell to the US and beyond without any issues...

      I'll definitely dig into this, I find the history of industries interesting and I'm sure the cigar industry has some fantastic stories!
      They can't however sell in Europe because of the copyright laws though someone told me that Boisdales stocked these.
      'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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      • #33
        Originally posted by PeeJay View Post

        They can't however sell in Europe because of the copyright laws though someone told me that Boisdales stocked these.
        Interesting!

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        • #34
          tobaccoonline.co.uk seem to stock various montecristo white, punch, RyJ and more.

          anyone know these guys?

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          I think I may finally have this CAD under control...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ha_banos View Post
            tobaccoonline.co.uk seem to stock various montecristo white, punch, RyJ and more.

            anyone know these guys?
            Unfortunate juxtaposition of the letters O there
            'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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            • #36
              for the montecristo whites...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by grumpybaldy View Post
                for the montecristo whites...
                No the website
                'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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                • #38
                  Nice smoke really enjoyed it thanks for hosting!


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