Discontinued cuban cigars

[tippexx]

well, no. beacuse if it did, why did the 06 taste nothing like the diplomaticos from 03? 3 years of age don't change a cigar that much......

Really. I would argue that it does, otherwise none of us would bother putting them away for that very reason. But in answer to your question, very often 2 cigars from the same box will not taste alike and the reason is because they are made out of tobacco, which unlike turnips is a processed agricultural product and some variation is a natural consequence. Weather also plays a role so annual variation too has to be expected.

Only a handful of members on here are old enough to have smoked 60s Cuban cigars during the 60s, or 70s during the 70s etc., only they can really tell you real difference between vitola produced with the pre-hybrid and current leaf. 03 Diplomaticos No 3 and 06 Diplomaticos No 3 are both hybrid leaf and the reason they are dissimilar is the three extra years in a box.

[tippexx]

well, no. beacuse if it did, why did the 06 taste nothing like the diplomaticos from 03? 3 years of age don't change a cigar that much......


Really. I would argue that it does, otherwise none of us would bother putting them away for that very reason. But in answer to your question, very often 2 cigars from the same box will not taste alike and the reason is because they are made out of tobacco, which unlike turnips is a processed agricultural product and some variation is a natural consequence. Weather also plays a role so annual variation too has to be expected.

Only a handful of members on here are old enough to have smoked 60s Cuban cigars during the 60s, or 70s during the 70s etc., only they can really tell you real difference between vitola produced with the pre-hybrid and current leaf. 03 Diplomaticos No 3 and 06 Diplomaticos No 3 are both hybrid leaf and the reason they are dissimilar is three extra years in a box.




well depends where the store is, of course. the shady areas in the Quebec or the Czech republic is known for having old 2000-2006 LEs because almost no one buys there. until someone sends messages to people there, i doubt they'll be taken by a few people.

Which is to suggest that certain vendors were overstocked in 2000 and that by 2006 they still hadn't learned their lesson. 2000/6 LE can be found, but if they're not with Ajay, Gerrard et Fils, Portmanns, Alexanders or vendors of that like I would be very sceptical about the authenticity. One or two Czech vendors are OK (Hotel LCdH), but if you look at the online ones very carefully you'll discover that they are affiliates with traces back to some very uncertain areas. My advice for what it's worth, do NOT go there and do NOT recommend anyone else to do so.

[butternutsquashpie]

You don't think then it might have something to do with the brand being intended as an alternative the Montecristo and as such being a spectacular under-achiever?

well, no. beacuse if it did, why did the 06 taste nothing like the diplomaticos from 03? 3 years of age don't change a cigar that much......

PS. Welcome back, Arf. Where the hell have you been!?

I doesn't quite work like that. A popular deleted will disappear quite quickly. The UK being expensive will be one of the last places to have some. Four years is a good average expectation for a popular quality smoke to be still available. Some cigars, PSdC No 1 for example, went even quicker than that.

well depends where the store is, of course. the shady areas in the Quebec or the Czech republic is known for having old 2000-2006 LEs because almost no one buys there. until someone sends messages to people there, i doubt they'll be taken by a few people.

[Wigan]

Guantanameras are bought for the following purposes:
-Cuban travellers thinking 15 Dollars for 10 cigars is a great deal and buying a box.
-Cuban travellers walking into any LCdH and getting the cheapest cigar thinking it's still a Cuban and has to be good
-Cuban travellers smoking them and thinking they're okay only to smoke again
-Cuban travellers continuously buying them for friends, bosses, neighbours, etc back home
-Fancy packaging
-Other people doing the same in their respective countries with the first 4 reasons
-Me to give to friends
-Some people just love the profile. Not I. God no, not I. But some people just do. (my friend's GF really loves them)

They are part of the journey......

Bought them, more than once, and enjoyed them at the time. Even recommended them on here to give out to wedding guests.

Wouldn`t and possibly couldn`t smoke them now. Don`t even think I would make the recommendation to give to the unaware again.
(Although that said I agree they aren`t as bad as some reviews)

But like I said they are part of the journey. They are one of the Cuban cigar brands. I know what a budget, machine rolled cigar tastes like.
I believe you need to smoke a few to get a proper taste hence the multiple purchases. They have made me appreciate what else is on offer so
actually I take it back, I WOULD recommend them to someone getting into Cubans as it is an important stop on this journey that everyone on here
is appreciating so much.

[rascal]

Some people do actually LIKE Hamlet, King Eddies et al .... habitually smoking something which they didn't would make no sense at all. Economics are more likely to govern a non regular Cuban cigar pattern than lack of good sense or good taste. A Robin Reliant enthusiast is no less of an enthusiast than a collector of vintage Rollers, one just has the deeper pockets.

Not many cigar smokers would be unenthusiastic about receiving even a modest Cuban cigar as a gift, and no Cuban cigar smoker in my experience has ever had to be dragged screaming and kicking into a Cuban cigar shop. So, like I said .... enthusiastic cigar smokers account for almost 100% of HSA sales .... because no one smokes them reluctantly! Well, except when there's only one left in a loved box and which you know you're unlikely to ever find again.

Addiction is what will motivate most hamlet/ king eddie smokers same as cigarettes neither really taste great but people still smoke them. It is kind of like relating a alcoholic that drinks what ever is one special at 3 for a tenner to a wine connoisseur. I know what your saying but a enthusiast would see a cigar shop and go in to have a look to see if there was anything that appealed to them. No where near 100% of cigar smokers have that level of interest that they would go into every shop or seek them out when on holiday to try and find cigars they liked but cant get or to try new ones. Kicking and screaming into a shop no. But thats very different from actively seeking them out.

[tippexx]

So all the people who smoke henri wintermans, hamlets and think king edwards are the best going are enthusiast cigar smokers cause undoubtedly they also make up parts of HSA sales. There is a difference between some a enthusiast and someone who is enthusiastic. Goes for all industry's as well glenfiddich is one of the best selling malts but it is far from the best tasting in its price range.

The thousands of cigars smokers are not under duress they just simple have a bad sense of taste or are not bothered enough to look what else is out there which in its self kinds of makes them unenthusiastic about cigars.

Some people do actually LIKE Hamlet, King Eddies et al .... habitually smoking something which they didn't would make no sense at all. Economics are more likely to govern a non regular Cuban cigar pattern than lack of good sense or good taste. A Robin Reliant enthusiast is no less of an enthusiast than a collector of vintage Rollers, one just has the deeper pockets.

Not many cigar smokers would be unenthusiastic about receiving even a modest Cuban cigar as a gift, and no Cuban cigar smoker in my experience has ever had to be dragged screaming and kicking into a Cuban cigar shop. So, like I said .... enthusiastic cigar smokers account for almost 100% of HSA sales .... because no one smokes them reluctantly! Well, except when there's only one left in a loved box and which you know you're unlikely to ever find again.

[rascal]

Which can only mean there are thousands of cigar smokers out there smoking under duress — the poor buggers.

I think it's truer to say that in one way or other, enthusiastic cigar smokers account for almost 100% of HSA sales and that some buy and smoke more than others. But that of course forgets the non-smokers who only buy cigars to lock them away for forever and a day, and who don't really care what they buy as long as it's not something they've already got!

So all the people who smoke henri wintermans, hamlets and think king edwards are the best going are enthusiast cigar smokers cause undoubtedly they also make up parts of HSA sales. There is a difference between some a enthusiast and someone who is enthusiastic. Goes for all industry's as well glenfiddich is one of the best selling malts but it is far from the best tasting in its price range.

The thousands of cigars smokers are not under duress they just simple have a bad sense of taste or are not bothered enough to look what else is out there which in its self kinds of makes them unenthusiastic about cigars.

[tippexx]

True enthusiast are a small percentage of HSA sales

Which can only mean there are thousands of cigar smokers out there smoking under duress ? the poor buggers.

I think it's truer to say that in one way or other, enthusiastic cigar smokers account for almost 100% of HSA sales and that some buy and smoke more than others. But that of course forgets the non-smokers who only buy cigars to lock them away for forever and a day, and who don't really care what they buy as long as it's not something they've already got!

[tippexx]

If there was a box of RA 898s, it'd sit there for a bit until the cigar forums got wind of it. Then it'd disappear like porno in the 1998 Oval Office.

I doesn't quite work like that. A popular deleted will disappear quite quickly. The UK being expensive will be one of the last places to have some. Four years is a good average expectation for a popular quality smoke to be still available. Some cigars, PSdC No 1 for example, went even quicker than that.

[tippexx]

Probably the best example of this that everyone would know is the Diplomatico No.3. Everyone loves the 2006 released mostly because it's the most accesable. I know few who have had the 2001 (the next most popular and an H&F aged release). I have never heard a good word about them but they are very different. Probably the best Dip 3 i've had was from 2003. The 2006 I had right after, I thought it was just harsh and didn't burn very well. But it turned out that all the 2006 Dip 3s were of that caliber. They just tasted different.
Why 2006, you ask? Because that's when they cut the Diplomatico 3.

You don't think then it might have something to do with the brand being intended as an alternative the Montecristo and as such being a spectacular under-achiever?

[tippexx]

If thats the case would you say the brand guatanamera cigars are better sellers than say the partagas petite corona and the erdm gran coronas
that have both been discontinued as an example look up the reviews on the guantas and see if they too should be discontinued.

Guantanamera can be almost guaranteed to fall apart in your mouth, but they aren't that disgusting really and certainly no where near as bad as many reviews paint them.

[tippexx]

This does not make the cigars bad, just that they did not sell well.

.... could it be because things like RG Lonsdales and Punch TPC, which can be found easily enough in the UK simply weren't as good as their contemporaries?

[PeeJay]

I can't remember that last time I heard someone use the word 'tosh', its just so civilised.

[tippexx]

One thought on the demise of the slim panatela vitolas, they were great for smaller more frequet smokes but with out door smoking being the norm now, it's either good enough weather & a decent enough reason to smoke - then a large smoke will do. If not it's probably peeing down & blowing a gale & 30-45 min smoke isn't going to appeal either.

An interesting personal observasion Simon, but total tosh as two thirds of the World doesn't have to worry about such things.

[butternutsquashpie]

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