Get It All Off Your Chest!

[daverave999]

Health and Safety legislation.

Good luck

[nicwing]

and another thing!!!!

OK so here's my rant, no reason why we shouldn't have three hares running..
About 4-5 years ago I went to Chelsea to see an international game at the invitation of a supplier. I have to say that what I saw there, in the corporate seats convinced me that I never wanted to go to another football game, ever. The pure hate, bile and the obscene langauge made me wonder why people pay a fortune for a season ticket.

My sister works in Football these days and pointed out the new FA respect campaign witha great advert featuring Ray Winstone, if you have missed it I suggest you go and find it on YouTube, it shows that the attitude I saw at Chelsea pervades to kids fotball.

Then today on the tube in London I saw a loutish dad with his teen age son in tow, giving lip to an eighty year old frail old women because she dared to mention that he had hit her with his bag, and he went on to abuse her.

I have come to the conclusion that it's the discusting behavior that emenates from football fans which is the poluter of this once great country and which is gradually bringing us all down. It extends to road rage and yobs on the streets of England.

How can the US have games as hard as Ice Hockey and American Football without the same malice being spread from the terraces into society at large?

Phew, got that one off my chest!

[Robusto]

May I say we should change rants randomly?
I want to get on to Health and Safety legislation.

[RedRum]

My fiancee was involved in the company that did the research for the EU that lead to the ban... she did the Quality Assurance part. The thinking behind the ban is this: it is mainly for second-hand smoking and exposure of staff in smoking places. I agree with this reasoning, as I have worked as a waiter and bar staff when smoking was allowed. The concerns about the health of the smokers themselves, although very prominent, were second in importance in the report.

On the other hand, I am not sure (I will check) if you are allowed to have a proprietor's license, as in the US. If you are the owner of the establishment and you do not employ staff, you should be allowed to have a license for a smoking area. I want to the Occidental Bat at San Francisco, and it was like that (lovely place by the way). The two owners were working at the bar, they did not employ any staff.

[whisky77]

Smoking ban.

Robusto,
not sure about the cigarette smoking bars in town, however i would agree that an individual should have the right to choose firstly if he wants to smoke, and secondly there should be a designated area in certain public places which would allow him to excercise these rights.
Unfortunately in this wholly PC country which we live in it seems that sometimes the minority exact their revenge on the majority by implementing these regulations, which have a direct effect on how people live/enjoy their lives on a day to day basis.If the same premis was instigated in relation to alcohol consumtion then i think the peasants would revolt.

Definately a case of the tail wagging the dog.

[daverave999]

I hate to derail the thread with the second post but I disagree completely with the first sentence. The Government would never try to 'stop tobacco in its shoes' simply because of the the ten billion quid plus per annum taxation it generates. I agree with the rest though.
More likely, this was an incompetent interpretation of European legislation that as I have recently seen, can be made to work elsewhere quite easily.

[Robusto]

Go on, then!

Here's an easy start:

An outright smoking ban in public places was a draconian attempt to stop tobacco in its shoes. Pubs and bars should have been allowed to opt IN to remain smoking establishments - and there should have been non-cigarette smoking bars in towns, too.